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My point is that the FB have little to do these days so they do such jobs to get them out of the fire station.

My local ones carpark has as many trade vehicles as my local Wickes @ 8am
 
I was under the impression mains interlinked alarms were only a requirement for new builds, when wiring is being put in anyway.
You can't really expect to say the word and everyone has to have their carpet and floorboards ripped up to have slightly different smoke detectors put in just in case they forget to change the batteries.
Same with metal CUs - like with all changes to the regs this isn't retrospective, but if you're having a new CU fitted it may as well be a metal one.
Yes I'm aware of the debate over cowboy DIs going around telling little old ladies that the CU they had installed 2 months ago is now illegal all of a sudden.
 
tazz said:
My personal opinion....FB should keep their nose out, and stick to putting fires out...BC conform to BS5839 and approved document B, and as such have the final ruling
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They should also stay well clear of lifts, when they are not smashing the doors in with a sledgehammer (they have release keys) causing thousands of pounds worth of damage, they rescue passengers by releasing the brake, if the lift car is in the upper part of the shaft it will roll upwards, which can leave the landing doors open at the floor it was rolled up from with the lift car above. So there is now a situation with landing doors open into an empty shaft which they do not check before leaving site. I have seen this on three separate occasions in public buildings, how no one has been killed is pure luck.
 
elevate said:
They should also stay well clear of lifts, when they are not smashing the doors in with a sledgehammer (they have release keys) causing thousands of pounds worth of damage, they rescue passengers by releasing the brake, if the lift car is in the upper part of the shaft it will roll upwards, which can leave the landing doors open at the floor it was rolled up from with the lift car above. So there is now a situation with landing doors open into an empty shaft which they do not check before leaving site. I have seen this on three separate occasions in public buildings, how no one has been killed is pure luck.
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Either that or receive further training to do it properly. If someone is stuck in a lift at the weekend you can't very well leave them there until Monday morning.
 
Why is it that people who work on telecoms systems, heating systems, lifts and alarms are known generally as engineers.
They bloody are not! It boils me wee.
 
trev said:
Why is it that people who work on telecoms systems, heating systems, lifts and alarms are known generally as engineers.
They bloody are not! It boils me wee.
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Hang on a minute. That guy who came over to repair my washing machine. Are you telling me he ain't no engineer?
 
Whoosh!
WTF was that?
The sound of that post going completely over your heads!
At one time it was not a title that was dished out willy nilly to all and sundry and which used to command respect because everyone knew it had been legitimately earned. I do not class your average gas safe bloke as an engineer, nor do I class a bloke who installs and/or maintains alarms the same way. Nor a phone bloke, nor a bloke who only installs lifts.
At the very least, nowadays anyway, an engineer should be educated to degree level.
 
trev said:
Whoosh!
WTF was that?
The sound of that post going completely over your heads!
At one time it was not a title that was dished out willy nilly to all and sundry and which used to command respect because everyone knew it had been legitimately earned. I do not class your average gas safe bloke as an engineer, nor do I class a bloke who installs and/or maintains alarms the same way. Nor a phone bloke, nor a bloke who only installs lifts.
At the very least, nowadays anyway, an engineer should be educated to degree level.
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certain ones like charted engineer still is
 
I have no issue with the term engineer as long as it is after what 'discipline' they are claiming to be an engineer in. Ie. Washing machine engineer, electrical engineer, fire alarm engineer etc etc???
 
trev said:
Whoosh!
WTF was that?
The sound of that post going completely over your heads!
At one time it was not a title that was dished out willy nilly to all and sundry and which used to command respect because everyone knew it had been legitimately earned. I do not class your average gas safe bloke as an engineer, nor do I class a bloke who installs and/or maintains alarms the same way. Nor a phone bloke, nor a bloke who only installs lifts.
At the very least, nowadays anyway, an engineer should be educated to degree level.
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Ah you mean a design engineer! Never seen one with oil, grease or dirt on their hands, they are more likely to tap keyboards, have a head full of regs and get quite lost when on site.
 
ShotgunSteve said:
I have no issue with the term engineer as long as it is after what 'discipline' they are claiming to be an engineer in. Ie. Washing machine engineer, electrical engineer, fire alarm engineer etc etc???
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Electrical engineers usually have a degree in electrical engineering. I'm not aware of any degree in washing machine engineering.
Such nonsense cheapens the term
 
trev said:
Why is it that people who work on telecoms systems, heating systems, lifts and alarms are known generally as engineers.
They bloody are not! It boils me wee.
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Nowadays anyone in any menial job is some kind of engineer, officer, consultant, specialist or director.
The idea is to make employees feel appreciated, but it just gives them ideas above their station.
 
So in that case I demand several titles from now on, electrical testing engineer since I'm doing a lot of EICRs
"Domestic appliance engineer" because I fixed a neighbour's cooker last week.
Alarm engineer- I installed one 3 weeks ago.
Cascade Bathing System Engineer- Fitted a shower yesterday
It's nothing but pomposity, I'm an electrician. Nothing more, nothing less
However, you will respect my authoritay cos I is an engineer
Bolox
:)
 
I do worry over this, as i`m not to happy with NVQ status....but would say the original ONC /HNC status in electrical engineering & design does make the best status
 
I don't think it matters what Title you work under, what matters is what in your pocket each week.

Small Builders are some of the wealthiest people in the construction industry and most of them are just all rounders with no Title.
 
trev said:
Electrical engineers usually have a degree in electrical engineering. I'm not aware of any degree in washing machine engineering.
Such nonsense cheapens the term
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I agree with you. It was just my opinion. I am sure anyone with half a brain cell can tell the difference between a washing machine 'engineer' and an electrical engineer.
 
I have no problem with fire men doing home safety visits.
by all means stick some battery alarms in and tick some boxes.
i am old enough to remember when the fire service got involved in the installation of fire alarms and the like and would tell you what THEY wanted.
we all knew where we stood then.
they were the experts in fire and were usually helpful in fulfilling your fire safety requirements.
ffwd 20 years and they don't want to know. only to hang you if something's not quite right in their eyes.
at a shopping centre job I do a bit at , me and the manager spotted a flaw in the design of a large unit where the smoke extract as 3 times as powerful in the centre rather than the proposed one in the unit which was about 60m away.
the laws of physics kinda dictated that if there was a fire the centre extract would totally bypass the units smoke extract and drag smoke for 60m through the unit.
totally defeating the purpose of the units system.
did the fire service and the building control come up with a solution.....
did they ****.
it was a specialist problem and they washed their hands of it.
 
tazz said:
Trev has made a good point on what you class as an engineer
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Nowhere does it state that an engineer is classed as x, y or z qualification. Strictly speaking an engineer is anyone who builds or maintains things.

I agree with your point though.
 
When I walk on a building site, I represent the electrical contractor i have designed for...my name is on the drawings, and they have paid me to get it right, I attend site meetings to evaluate the project and discuss the project in general...its a title and a job...I don`t design the plumbing
 
Ive not read all the threads on this subject but here's my opinion , yes mains interlinked smoke detectors are best when they sound you certainly here them , how ever the fire service install the battery ,and if it save's one life then its all for the good , if the young family that died in a house fire up here a few years ago had even a battery one the chances are they would still be alive today i would love to install mains battery alarms in all the houses i work in but its like every thing the ones who cant afford to install them have not got them , if this is the case i advise to contact the fire service , an for those installing mains smoke alarms for gods sake stop sticking ionization every where just cause they are cheaper !!!
 
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