NICEIC Certification Scheme comfused by NICEIC statement

As far as I can tell although the cables are a little shorter than ideal I wouldn't have a problem connecting them soundly without extending, and a bit more cable could be eased into the box if really necessary. Maybe this thread should be re named Much Ado About Nothing. :rolleyes:
 
so we agree that the plaster board should be accurately cut to the frame, a deeper frame or collar should have been used or the frame battened out and it shouldn't have been taped over at the fuse box but locked off. And wires are short. Surely NICEIC should have included this is their report? I personally have a very big issue with gypsum plasterboard being applied to a solid exterior wall as moisture gets trapped behind the gypsum so it's damp between the exterior wall and back of gypsum plasterboard. Damp and a 1in gap between a faceplate and frame is not good news
 
MDJ said:
I would have thought the Electrician did a good job but didn't know the walls would be dry lined afterwards otherwise the Electrician would have just screwed the back box to the wall, otherwise I can see nothing wrong IMO.
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the person who put the drylining in was the same person as the electrician
 
what the betting it has been energised. was the fight over the knockout
out box being to far back from the 12.5 plaster board brought out to far .answer longer screws .;)
 
Interested in what the external walls of the house are made of? Why are you dot and dabbing onto the external wall. We dot and dabbed insulated plasterboard onto solid stone walls in one room last year. We’ve since refurbished the whole house with lime plaster direct onto the stone as it has to breathe. When we removed the insulated plaster board there was a lot of damp between the two. Expensive business as the lime plaster is a real pig to work with.
 
Fair enough, Not usual for both jobs to be done by one trade, even though this is the case it isn't that bad, the box is set in a bit deep though admittedly.
 
My opinion is that the socket box looks fine for a first fix. They’ve even used grommets and earned the backbox. We don’t even know that this could become live as for all we know it could be disconnected at the cu or at another point on the circuit. The gap between the backbox and the plasterboard is a non issue at this stage as there are extension boxes available to bring it out further not that it particularly needs it. As for contacting NICEIC that’s a bit extreme for a first fixed socket. Your concern seems to be about the plasterboard wall getting damp. Have you contacted anybody about that? Even if the backbox was extended it’s not going to stop any dampness so I really don’t get the point of this thread.
 
FatAlan said:
Interested in what the external walls of the house are made of? Why are you dot and dabbing onto the external wall. We dot and dabbed insulated plasterboard onto solid stone walls in one room last year. We’ve since refurbished the whole house with lime plaster direct onto the stone as it has to breathe. When we removed the insulated plaster board there was a lot of damp between the two. Expensive business as the lime plaster is a real pig to work with.
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i didn't dot and dab, the electrician did. The walls are solid stone and brick. Yes i agree very poor move for dot and dab
should have been battened and used a lime plaster board to let it breath. Assumed all builders knew that. Damp walls and gap between face plate and frame is not good news.
 
further to my comments the one frame is not straight and when cover placed over there are gaps on the bottom left hand corner and on the right hand edge
 
Sintra said:
My opinion is that the socket box looks fine for a first fix. They’ve even used grommets and earned the backbox. We don’t even know that this could become live as for all we know it could be disconnected at the cu or at another point on the circuit. The gap between the backbox and the plasterboard is a non issue at this stage as there are extension boxes available to bring it out further not that it particularly needs it. As for contacting NICEIC that’s a bit extreme for a first fixed socket. Your concern seems to be about the plasterboard wall getting damp. Have you contacted anybody about that? Even if the backbox was extended it’s not going to stop any dampness so I really don’t get the point of this thread.
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@hoitytoity any chance you could answer my question.
 
hoitytoity said:
i didn't dot and dab, the electrician did. The walls are solid stone and brick. Yes i agree very poor move for dot and dab
should have been battened and used a lime plaster board to let it breath. Assumed all builders knew that. Damp walls and gap between face plate and frame is not good news.
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Not sure you can get lime plasterboard. Sounds like a big breakdown in communication with the builder/ electrician over the final finish of the wall/rendering.
 
hoitytoity said:
doesn't he need to qualify to NICEIC standards to be approved ?
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No.
He needs to comply with NICEIC rules to become an Approved Contractor. He doesn't have to be one tho. The NICEIC dont set the 'standards'.
 
So the builder is the electrician? That explains a lot.

Without seeing the full installation first hand it is very difficult to ascertain the full extend of the problems with the installation.

The MCB should have a lockout fitted, not taped over. Lockouts are cheap enough to buy and a couple of quid is well spent if it stops someone from getting an electric shock.

Looking at the state of that cut out around the drywall I would hate to think what else he has butchered.

My advise would be to employ the services of an ELECTRICIAN not a builder who does some wiring to inspect and possibly test the work that the builder has carried out so for then, if found to be dangerous or non-compliant, raise a complaint with the NICEIC.

More than likely one of our forum members is local to you.
 
The problem is not with the electrical instalation. It's with the plaster board.
I think this is an issue with the general building project.
It just so happens the electrician did the plaster board.
This is the problem with being jack of all trades. The spark may be a very competant spark, but not so good plasterboarder.
He's wearing too many hats.
 
Walls get dot and dabbed all the time, plasterboard gets cut badly around back boxes all the time... Not a major concern. We get over it.
So the builders been kicked off and your complaining the job isn't finished?! Agree that if that circuit is energised you have some cause for complaint, other than that, stop snagging unfinished work
 
goasis said:
Walls get dot and dabbed all the time, plasterboard gets cut badly around back boxes all the time... Not a major concern. We get over it.
So the builders been kicked off and your complaining the job isn't finished?! Agree that if that circuit is energised you have some cause for complaint, other than that, stop snagging unfinished work
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um no, i have not said the builder was kicked off. I haven't said that once in my thread
 
Is this work subject to building control?
Why is the wall being boarded over?
What was the brief given to the Builder re materials to be used, is this in the form of a written contract?
Which room is this, if it's a kitchen is the board going to be tiled once plastered?
 
Paignton pete said:
The problem is not with the electrical instalation. It's with the plaster board.
I think this is an issue with the general building project.
It just so happens the electrician did the plaster board.
This is the problem with being jack of all trades. The spark may be a very competant spark, but not so good plasterboarder.
He's wearing too many hats.
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