Fire rated or not

banny07 · Jul 30, 2024

I am installing spotlights in the kitchen. The customer bought downlight which (packing)says they are fire rated but I doubt it. What is your opinion on this please. See pictures..

LukeD · Jul 30, 2024

no pictures ! if in doubt... dont fit

banny07 · Jul 30, 2024

I have just uploaded another picture

nicebutdim · Jul 30, 2024

Pretty sure I can see an intumescent fire seal on that. 'Fire rated' doesn't mean enclosed or safe around flammable material. It simply means the unit will maintain a fire barrier for a given period of time.

Pretty Mouth · Jul 30, 2024

It's written all over the box. What makes you doubt that they are?

davesparks · Jul 30, 2024

Pretty Mouth said:
It's written all over the box. What makes you doubt that they are?

Just look at the thing! It is very hard to believe that it is 90 minute fire rated.

Some.of the other claims on the box seems optimistic too.

Pretty Mouth · Jul 30, 2024

davesparks said:
Just look at the thing! It is very hard to believe that it is 90 minute fire rated.

Some.of the other claims on the box seems optimistic too.

https://integral-led.com/Image/GetDocument/en/1619/ildlfr70d001_test_report.pdf

Marvo · Jul 30, 2024

The manufacturers website has pretty extensive documentation that's of a decent looking standard on all their product listing pages including installation, safety and fire rating test pdf's. It's an extensive and legit looking website and the documentation is well written and well presented and it's not raising any red flags for me at least. I might do a quick google for any recalls etc but unless I could point to a specific regulation that's obviously being broken by the product I'd take them at face value and install them.

loz2754 · Jul 31, 2024

I have fitted dozens of these, I have no doubt that they're what they say they are.
As pointed out, the fire rating relates only to how well they withstand fire coming from below the ceiling so as to prevent the fire spreading to above the ceiling.
They're a good choice if there is not much room between the ceiling and the floor above.
They also come with a variant that can fit into a hole diameter between 58mm to 100mm with no adjustment needed.
All in all an excellent product.

baldelectrician · Jul 31, 2024

I have switched over to them (was using JCC) and find them better

They work fine, however we do not use the black clip on enclosure that comes with them- we use a choc box instead as it is a personal preference

littlespark · Jul 31, 2024

Intumescent ring, and glass over the lamp. Completely sealed when fitted to a ceiling.

What’s above? Does it actually need to be fire rated?

banny07 · Jul 31, 2024

littlespark said:
Intumescent ring, and glass over the lamp. Completely sealed when fitted to a ceiling.

What’s above? Does it actually need to be fire rated?

Bedroom.

baldelectrician · Jul 31, 2024

littlespark said:
Intumescent ring, and glass over the lamp. Completely sealed when fitted to a ceiling.

What’s above? Does it actually need to be fire rated?

Maybe I am having a senior moment- I thought all recessed spots had to be fire rated now

Or is it a Scottish Building standards only thing ?

littlespark · Jul 31, 2024

you know... ive not actually thought if the standards had been updated....

It used to be that fire rated between seperate apartments but not required if the room above is part of the same house.

Most downlights sold now are indeed fire rated... as are the ones in question on this thread... so really, it doesnt matter....

oscar21 · Jul 31, 2024

A 2 storey house is a single fire compartment so unless its an integral garage below a bedroom then no fire rating is necessary with downlights. Thats the way I understand it, regs change with a 3 storey house.

Sure you could make sure every tiny downlight hole is entirely safe from the spread of fire to upstairs but what do you do about the massive hole where the stairs are?