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APE37

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Hi guys,
Just wondering if I can pick the brains of a few CCTV installers.
We are concerned about a neighbour using CCTV from their house to watch us. They live opposite us and have the camera pointed from a window looking out across the road and onto our property. I believe this is not the use for CCTV as it is for recording the users property and should not face onto a public highway and onto other people premises. Is there any regulations I can quote to back up my argument, or is it just invasion of privacy?
Thanks for any help on the matter, don't do any CCTV and just want to be a bit clued up on the situation before I talk to the neighbour.
Cheers
 

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They live opposite us and have the camera pointed from a window looking out across the road and onto our property. I believe this is not the use for CCTV as it is for recording the users property and should not face onto a public highway and onto other people premises
yes their is a legislation brought in by the government, called nosey parker legislation.;)
 

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The Law on Domestic CCTV: (Home CCTV Law)
The Data Protection Act does not apply to individuals’ private or household purposes. So if you install a CCTV camera on your own home to protect it from burglary or anti-social behaviour, the DPA will not apply to you. (Section 36 of Data Protection Act 1998.)

However that is not to say that you can use CCTV anyway you like. For example CCTV Cameras being deliberately pointed on areas outside of your property, could amount to harassment and potentially give rise to prosecution under the Public Order Act or Protection from Harassment Act.


Question: Can I, or my neighbours, install CCTV?
Answer:You can install CCTV for your home without breaking the Law, if the cameras are installed on residential property and are for personal domestic use, they are unlikely to breach any laws even if the camera overlooks the street or other areas near the house. If you are concerned about the use of domestic CCTV, it may be worth contacting your local council and police.


Question: Can my landlord use CCTV in communal areas?
Answer: Yes, usually they will need to make you aware of this and explain why they have installed the cameras. The purpose and motive behind the CCTV cameras is very important.


Question: Do I need a license to install CCTV cameras at my front door?
Answer: In short, no you don't. As long as the purpose of the CCTV is to protect your property. Just make sure you are not breaking the law by spying on the public or using CCTV for data gathering. (For example do not record the number plate of every car that passes your house, do not try to make a database of all the people that live on the road or keep an eye on your neighbours activities.)
 
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APE37

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Hi guys.
Thanks for the input, especially buzz.
Don't want to go into too much detail, but we have had numerous run ins with the neighbour using the CCTV and they have a camera pointing straight at our property and feel they are recording our movements outside the house. We have also had visitors to our house being stopped by the neighbour in the petrol station telling them various statements, which are not true. So feel we are being harassed directly and indirectly. Maybe a call to the council and police will need to be the next step?
Anyway thanks for the input.
APE
 

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It’s hard to prove that they are recording your property, and not their own.

Can you see their camera? Does it appear to be not pointing at their driveway or garden?
Is it directed at your door for example?

It would have to be a fairly good camera to focus on anything across the street, so I think they know it’s p***ing you off and are deliberately trying to intimidate.
 
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APE37

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Hi Buzz, will have a chat with the police like you say.
The camera is a stand alone type sat in the lounge window facing straight across the road onto our driveway/ front of house. The blinds are down but open so seems they are trying to record secretly-ish. The last straw was the other day when a visitor to my house told me that the neighbour had stopped them in the petrol station to voice their opinion of us. Getting a bit much involving others outside of the house now, and need to look at getting this sorted out.
Cheers for all the help.
APE
 

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Have noticed Police sometimes give the game away ,parking their cars where covert private CCTV is.
(that never looks good if its your house)
--If have some "propper trouble makers"---CCTV can improve things!
(I also must feel insecure -as I often have my curtains drawn..with no need to peek)
 
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APE37

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Cheers guys. Thanks little spark for the info about cameras behind glass.
 

littlespark

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Personal experience, I’m afraid. I’ve got a camera trained on my van on my drive, but it’s behind a window. Great during the day, but as soon as infra red comes on, I get a black screen with a circle of little white dots.

Worse when there’s rain on the window as well
 

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I hope so too , but get a discreet outdoor one to back that philosophy up just in case.
 

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Get a big camera and point it at their house, doesn't even have to work what's good for the goose....................!
 
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As an update. They have moved out. I would not consider myself or my family bad neighbours. They just seem to take a dislike to us. But they have moved on now so all fine now. apparently they was causing problems for other neighbours as well in the street, so think it has worked out for the best for all parties involved.
 

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I have CCTV here and it points at my house and surrounding area

Two cameras are PTZ and partol round my garden / front door but DO point at my neighbours house at their request
Every 90 seconds the partol goes back to the start.

I have had the police here asking about it (something happend in the kids park opposite) but the CCTV deliberately does NOT cover the park.
The officer actually asked if I covered the park (I told him it would be wrong and just creepy)

Screen shot of coverage attached
The line is a 'line crossing' thing from the software (it does not record the blue line), this emails me when someone crosses the line from outside to inside.

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Nigel

If the camera is on public property then there is nothing you can do.

What does your house do that you are worried about it being filmed?
 

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A EU ruling means domestic CCTV is no longer excluded if the camera records beyond the boundary of the property (Section 36 exception). The system also needs to be recorded with ICO and comply with DPA (Ryneš v CJEU).
 

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Not what it says in the link below;
Last bullet point;
  • You don’t need to register with the ICO or pay a fee (this is a change from the previous law). However, you must maintain records of how and why you are capturing these images, and for how long you are keeping them. You may need to make these records available to the ICO on request.
 

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Last bullet point;
  • You don’t need to register with the ICO or pay a fee ....
Document -your reasons / manage your data.

This is so ISO 9002 ..These documents just seem to write them selves.
Evolve , (Hopefully adding common sense to the law)
... After spending a lot of time -untangling it...
 

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Hi guys,
Just wondering if I can pick the brains of a few CCTV installers.
We are concerned about a neighbour using CCTV from their house to watch us. They live opposite us and have the camera pointed from a window looking out across the road and onto our property. I believe this is not the use for CCTV as it is for recording the users property and should not face onto a public highway and onto other people premises. Is there any regulations I can quote to back up my argument, or is it just invasion of privacy?
Thanks for any help on the matter, don't do any CCTV and just want to be a bit clued up on the situation before I talk to the neighbour.
Cheers
A good place to visit for this information is National Security inspectorate NSI they have a BS cctv code of practice you could download, also data protection.

You can also get some valued advice by emailing support at the CCTV Camera Centre they are very helpful and have lots of advice to give
 

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