T
N
NDG Elecs
Customer put a complaint in. Apparently someone came out from BG and said the meter monkey did the best job they could and they do not use trunking...! Customer not happy with that response and apparently they are gonna sort it now. I should be getting a board change and bonding job out of it so happy days....and there's even an isolator fitted which is nice!
The slight irony is that the clips are actually pretty straight and aligned. So duck knows why the tails were not attempted to be straightened out.
The slight irony is that the clips are actually pretty straight and aligned. So duck knows why the tails were not attempted to be straightened out.
Last edited by a moderator:
D
Darkwood
Got to totally disagree on that, the top cleats have a gap between them, the spacing height between sets of cleats isn't the same by some margin, just because the screws may follow a nearly verticle plane doesn't excuse it, its as rough as you can get and deffo' not done by a trained professional. The true Irony here is I regularly see DIY work to a better standard.
C
cliffbase
N
NDG Elecs
It is rough DW, no dispute. Although the cleats are not perfect they are 100% better, in comparision, to the insanely meandering snaking tails. Kinda reminds me of the signature line of someone on the IET forum; knotted cable makes lumpy lektrik....or something like that!
D
David M
So I haven't got any pictures yet, but I thought I'd share with you folks about my visit to an unfinished job.
My mate has been doing some tiling in a cottage out in the sticks not far from where we both live. The builder contracted to do all the structural works including the electrics has done a bunk and left the property owners in a bit of a pickle. Desperate to get the job finished as they are soon to be moving in, my mate (ex friend now lol) suggested I go take a look at finishing the electrics off. As a rule I wouldn't get involved in this sort of thing but the folks are quite desperate and my mate felt a bit sorry for them so I agreed to nip over today and take a look.
On the phone they explained that the majority of the install was complete and that it just needed some second fixing to complete the job.
As soon as I walked through the door my suspicions were raised as there were live wires left hanging out of back boxes!
" full rewire, as in complete new installation?" I asked the owner " yep" he replied "that is what we agreed with the building contractor"
This is a list of just a few things I found on a quick visual:-
1. No main earthbonding installed to incoming metal services
2. Mixed wiring colours, showing clear evidence that existing old wiring had been re-used
3. 2 way lighting circuit with both switches hanging off the walls because there were no back boxes installed to fix them to
4. The same 2 way lighting circuit installed in T&E using the cpc as the common conductor.
5. Bathroom light fitting installed directly over a shower/bath using a standard bayonet fitting hanging off the ceiling with what looked like a dozen cables jammed into it.
6. Cooker circuit wired directly into the appliance with no means of local isolation.
7. Cables run down and across walls all over the place with no form of mechanical protection.
8. Old j.b's re-used all over the place
9. No lid on a j.b exposing a very poorly terminated junction with the cpc's just twisted together and un-sheaved.
10. SWA poorly installed and terminated which supplies an out building.
The list I'm sure will go on, but at this point I isolated the main supply and advised the owners that they should get a thorough investigation done and that they may face a complete re-install.
They have asked me to do some further investigation (which I've agreed to do early in the week) to determine what if anything can be salvaged.
My mate has been doing some tiling in a cottage out in the sticks not far from where we both live. The builder contracted to do all the structural works including the electrics has done a bunk and left the property owners in a bit of a pickle. Desperate to get the job finished as they are soon to be moving in, my mate (ex friend now lol) suggested I go take a look at finishing the electrics off. As a rule I wouldn't get involved in this sort of thing but the folks are quite desperate and my mate felt a bit sorry for them so I agreed to nip over today and take a look.
On the phone they explained that the majority of the install was complete and that it just needed some second fixing to complete the job.
As soon as I walked through the door my suspicions were raised as there were live wires left hanging out of back boxes!
" full rewire, as in complete new installation?" I asked the owner " yep" he replied "that is what we agreed with the building contractor"
This is a list of just a few things I found on a quick visual:-
1. No main earthbonding installed to incoming metal services
2. Mixed wiring colours, showing clear evidence that existing old wiring had been re-used
3. 2 way lighting circuit with both switches hanging off the walls because there were no back boxes installed to fix them to
4. The same 2 way lighting circuit installed in T&E using the cpc as the common conductor.
5. Bathroom light fitting installed directly over a shower/bath using a standard bayonet fitting hanging off the ceiling with what looked like a dozen cables jammed into it.
6. Cooker circuit wired directly into the appliance with no means of local isolation.
7. Cables run down and across walls all over the place with no form of mechanical protection.
8. Old j.b's re-used all over the place
9. No lid on a j.b exposing a very poorly terminated junction with the cpc's just twisted together and un-sheaved.
10. SWA poorly installed and terminated which supplies an out building.
The list I'm sure will go on, but at this point I isolated the main supply and advised the owners that they should get a thorough investigation done and that they may face a complete re-install.
They have asked me to do some further investigation (which I've agreed to do early in the week) to determine what if anything can be salvaged.
Last edited by a moderator:
M
mache
- Nov 28, 2008
- 1,667
- 1,252
- 103,788
- What type of forum member are you?
- Practising Electrician (Qualified - Domestic or Commercial etc)
D
David M
S
stevethesparks
Looking at a friends house today he has just purchased.
Sorry about the middle pic, but couldn't resist this little gem of a consumers unit change utilising the old one for a connection point. No need to extend the CPC's and Neutrals then. :stuart:
Sorry about the middle pic, but couldn't resist this little gem of a consumers unit change utilising the old one for a connection point. No need to extend the CPC's and Neutrals then. :stuart:
Last edited by a moderator:
S
Simonslimline
Makes testing it in future rather more enjoyable i would imagine. :leaving:
S
stevethesparks
As he hasn't moved in as yet, and I didn't want to upset things too much until he does, lets say limited testing was performed.
Will be fun rectifying it all.
- Sep 5, 2010
- 71,498
- 72,015
- 18,688
- 78
- If you're a qualified, trainee, or retired electrician - Which country is it that your work will be / is / was aimed at?
- United Kingdom
- What type of forum member are you?
- Electrical Engineer (Qualified)
- Business Name
- Telectrix
- Mar 14, 2013
- 25,716
- 18,746
- 18,688
- 79
- If you're a qualified, trainee, or retired electrician - Which country is it that your work will be / is / was aimed at?
- United Kingdom
- What type of forum member are you?
- Retired Electrician
- Business Name
- None
J
jeffelectric
The pic will be here in a few months , when some one finds the bodge the QS of a Niciec reg firm did yesterday. he had to move the 45A cooker switch in a highend newbuild. new backbox 30cm to right of old place ,joined the 10mm twinearth in the old box, cut 2 cores off of cores to fit in yellow crimps and then filled the box with silicon it looked like jellied cables. some one could easily hit the cable as it is now out of zone .
D
David M
Ok some pics to follow after my further investigation.
Bathroom Light fitting
Two way lighting circuit
Routing of cables
In service Junction box
In service junction box
Socket fixing
Two way switch
All these photos were taken today prior to me doing any rip out or start over! This is the state of just some of the installation after a "full re-wire". The owner of the property wasn't just ripped off but actually put in danger!
That bathroom light fitting almost touched my head as I stood in the bath! An I ain't 7ft tall!:90:
Note the use of the cpc as the common conductor on all the two way lighting!
This guy can't be bothered with sleeving either. After inspecting and testing the socket ring circuit I found no continuity on the neutral conductor and no sleeving on any of the cpc's. The neutral problem turned out to be a loose connection and the ring actually tested ok, which surprised me considering the two ends of the ring had been connected into seperate 16A mcb's.:frown2::thinking: Turns out that the two radial circuits in the house were connected together in a 32A mcb. :wacko:
Last edited by a moderator:
- Mar 14, 2013
- 25,716
- 18,746
- 18,688
- 79
- If you're a qualified, trainee, or retired electrician - Which country is it that your work will be / is / was aimed at?
- United Kingdom
- What type of forum member are you?
- Retired Electrician
- Business Name
- None
- May 5, 2015
- 4,124
- 7,279
- 18,688
- If you're a qualified, trainee, or retired electrician - Which country is it that your work will be / is / was aimed at?
- United Kingdom
- What type of forum member are you?
- Practising Electrician (Qualified - Domestic or Commercial etc)
- Business Name
- Hendry Electrical Services
D
David M
The poor folk have be inundated with jacks of no trades thus far! Sounds to me like a job for Big Dom Littewood from "Cowboy Builders" :2guns:
Last edited by a moderator:
OFFICIAL SPONSORS
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc
