domestic works, to P on not to P

[john.irvine]

i would suggest you have a chat with your local council
it doesnt matter how qualified you are notifiable work is notifiable work whoever does it.
i too am fully qualified 2391, 17th blah blah but still have to pay the £425 each year to niceic to operate within the law

The last time I did domestic work was last year, so I did contact my buildings dept and asked, besides a copy of my qualifications and my inspection and rest results of the work carried out is there any thing else you need such a payment.

The answer was NO, there’s is no payment required, as we do not need to check anything, your qualifications are enough to show you are a competent person to carry out the work, your information goes on file and held here at the Building Dept.

I found out about this from the tutor on the 17th edition course.
He ran a business, which included domestic work and he did not have part P.
He said just get to know some one at your buildings dept, let them know of the work your doing then send them your inspection and test results, if your qualified you don’t realy need Part P.
And he was right.

 

[sparks1234]

Sorry,might sound a bit thick here.If you don't have Part P but are 2391 accredited,you can't carry out work in a domestic property.I thought this was all brought in only for kitchens and bathrooms.Can you not sign off work on any other part of the house including extensions.If you hold the 2391 are you not competent to do all this.

No, not according to the laws set out for this type of works, I am sure we are all compedent but it is a requirement to register jobs through a scheme or the local authority, some small works do not require this though and you can download a list

 

[acat]

Hi Mac part P is the EAL VRQ which is purely the basics of electricity in domestic houses.On the electrical side that is covered by the college. The EAL VRQ exam itself at the end of the course is the Building Regs the combination of both give you the part P

Anyone that has the 2391 does not qualify for part P unless they have also got the EAL VRQ. When they brought in part P "grandfather rights" were not included

The minor works mentioned above are I think for your own house if you work in anyone elses part P rears its head again and I think this is why you have to do one notifiable and one non notifiable to get through your assessment.

Chris

 

[Mac]

Another money making scheme to rob the people in this country.Can someone who is Part P then do an inspect and test on industrial or commercial property.Don't you think it seems pointless that if all your work is house bashing and you are offered a small commercial or industrial job you would not be able to do it because you are Part P only

 

[acat]

Cant comment on the others but if you are part P and 2391 qualified with the NICEIC you can only do domestic properties under their banner. Whatever way you look at it, its another stealth tax





Chris

 

[old dog]

hi most building control if you show your qualifications when notifying .they will exept your eic and sign
you off. no need for any third party testing. i would think it may depend on the qualifications you hold

 

[Mac]

Cant comment on the others but if you are part P and 2391 qualified with the NICEIC you can only do domestic properties under their banner. Whatever way you look at it, its another stealth tax





Chris

Cheers mate

 

[chrissyh]

Re: mains change

Correct me if I am wrong but we are talking about domestic installation here! If that is not the case then I am barking up the wrong tree and I apologise but.
If we are talking about electrical installation in a domestic situation then the law requires electrical installations to be signed off by a person or company that is registered with a self certification scheme such as elecsa, Napit etc etc or the works have to be notified prior to works commencing to the local authority, then at the end of the job they will be signed off by the representative of the local authority, usually a third party electrical contractor.

I dont think your wrong. I just think/imagine that he notifies his local authority and they subsiquently sign off his work without the need for a 3rd party inspection as they regard him as a competent installer.

 

[sparks1234]

hi most building control if you show your qualifications when notifying .they will exept your eic and sign
you off. no need for any third party testing. i would think it may depend on the qualifications you hold

So then, what you are saying then is they are taking your qualifications at face value, trusting that you are suitibly qualified to carry out the works, and then they do register the Job as required by Part P, why are we all paying this money???

 

[Mac]

What i'm saying is that if you worked all your life doing commercial and industrial and you had every qualification going,why can't you wire up a house.It is all to do with the Govt and another way to make money from someone who has the potential to earn a good living.And you wonder why people go abroad to work and there is such a shortfall in sparks in this country.

 

[chrissyh]

What i'm saying is that if you worked all your life doing commercial and industrial and you had every qualification going,why can't you wire up a house.It is all to do with the Govt and another way to make money from someone who has the potential to earn a good living.And you wonder why people go abroad to work and there is such a shortfall in sparks in this country.

And there it is in a nutshell! Its basically goverment job creation by constructing another tier of officialdom for which we have the priviledge of paying for. It wont be long before all of the schemes are owned by the big two and all of a sudden they have captured the pocket of all those indepenent minded sparks who to date have seen them for the money making members clubs they really are.

 

[Spudnik]

Another thing to also consider, is that if building control allow you to 'go direct' to them, if there are any problems in the future, you wont have any scheme provider to back you up.

Not something i would comfortable with.

 

[Mac]

Another thing to also consider, is that if building control allow you to 'go direct' to them, if there are any problems in the future, you wont have any scheme provider to back you up.

Not something i would comfortable with.

Sorry mate,why would you need a scheme provider to cover your back.If you're a qualified electrician wherever you work be it domestic or commercial,you should always do a professional job.Regardless.It was introduced by the Govt as another money earner.
PARTP.CO.UK - What is Part P

 

[Spudnik]

Sorry mate,why would you need a scheme provider to cover your back.If you're a qualified electrician wherever you work be it domestic or commercial,you should always do a professional job.Regardless.It was introduced by the Govt as another money earner.
PARTP.CO.UK - What is Part P

I knew i shouldnt have posted

Now this isnt a cop out but, to be honest, i have done this subject to death in the past, hence the reason i am kinda sitting this one out.

 

[sparks1234]

What i'm saying is that if you worked all your life doing commercial and industrial and you had every qualification going,why can't you wire up a house.It is all to do with the Govt and another way to make money from someone who has the potential to earn a good living.And you wonder why people go abroad to work and there is such a shortfall in sparks in this country.

Nobody disagrees with that, the argument was that you are required to have this by law, I have been an electrician since 1978 and we never had this until a few years ago, but the fact is it is required by law, nobody is questioning anybodies ability.

Jason....chicken LOL

 

[Mac]

Nobody disagrees with that, the argument was that you are required to have this by law, I have been an electrician since 1978 and we never had this until a few years ago, but the fact is it is required by law, nobody is questioning anybodies ability.

Jason....chicken LOL

I didn't say that.The Part P was introduced by the Govt in 2005,just another moneyspinner and another stealth tax to tax us all again