Earth and bonding cable checks-any tools available?

[Pete999]

Crikey are we still discussing this?

 

[Geordie Spark]

You may still be discussing it but the rest of us are preparing it for a Viking Burial.

As we speak, Tel's out syphoning petrol from his neighbour's car and Wor Trev's off to nick a box of matches from the corner shop and Tidyboiler's preparing some roadkill for the barbecue.

 

[GB.Kayak]

You may still be discussing it but the rest of us are preparing it for a Viking Burial.

As we speak, Tel's out syphoning petrol from his neighbour's car and Wor Trev's off to nick a box of matches from the corner shop and Tidyboiler's preparing some roadkill for the barbecue.

Thats a hell of a waste of good Nordic timber!

 

[telectrix]

you not been visiting holborn today, geordie?

 

[Geordie Spark]

you not been visiting holborn today, geordie?

No ..... it was the vet thismorning & the dentist this afternoon.

I lead a fun life just now.

 

[ipf]

Thanks for that Dave.

They can all ID supply types. They all have calibrated MFTs and test Zs from the point of installation.

Really??

Are you sure you and your fine fellows know what you're doing?? mg_smile:


( Hey Mark Bonny Lad........... Lendis one o' yer Gasps!! for a bit)

First comment on this little lot...in this thread at least. Just read the above and about to cry out.....then notice a couple o geordie wallas have beat me to it...........one a bleedin plumber....

How many MFT's are in the wrong hands, I wonder????

 

[Geordie Spark]

First comment on this little lot...in this thread at least. Just read the above and about to cry out.....then notice a couple o geordie wallas have beat me to it...........one a bleedin plumber....

How many MFT's are in the wrong hands, I wonder????

Aye, ye hae t geroota bed orly t beat a Geordie. :laugh:

As for the MFT, I was looking at mine at it's current place of work - wedging the utility room door open - and I got thinking about getting a 1 metre long bit of 22mm plastic Speedfit pipe, fit it with copper ends and fill it with tapwater. Then do an IR test on it from one copper end to the other to see how conductive - or not - tap water is.

And then I thought, Sod it ... I'll have a beer and a nap instead.

 

[Silly Sausage]

As for the MFT, I was looking at mine at it's current place of work - wedging the utility room door open - and I got thinking about getting a 1 metre long bit of 22mm plastic Speedfit pipe, fit it with copper ends and fill it with tapwater. Then do an IR test on it from one copper end to the other to see how conductive - or not - tap water is.

And then I thought, Sod it ... I'll have a beer and a nap instead.

You were starting to worry me there!!!

 

[Geordie Spark]

You were starting to worry me there!!!

I worry me all the time.

Anyway enough of that - has anybody seen Toffo lately??

 

[Silly Sausage]

Anyway enough of that - has anybody seen Toffo lately??

Like any honourable Captain, he's gone down with his thread.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Like any honourable Captain, he's gone down with his thread.

Oh well ........... as long as he hasn't gone down on his First Officer I suppose it's ok.

 

[Des 56]

Oh well ........... as long as he hasn't gone down on his First Officer I suppose it's ok.

We can assume he has been blown away then

 

[marc8]

Let's help the guys out here is not their fault, but as we can't see the job or any known values I would always air on the side of caution & say go with a good piece of cable say 35mm to gas & water should not be an issue then, be fun pulling it in & terminating, after all these cookers are pretty big these days.

 

[Engineer54]

I think you're all just talking to yourselves now!! ...lol!!

 

[Tof99]

I'm still here, just been silenced by all the digs!

If we/they are doing something you feel is incorrect, why not just state so?

When I said 'installation' I meant the installation of the appliance not the electrical installation, as in:
Zs=as in the max measured EFLI from the point of connection of the circuit, ie where the cooker is installed as it's a radial.

 

[Plonker 3]

So you need to ensure the CCC of the cable is adequate for the appliance if supplied on a dedicated radial. Or meets VD and Zs values if connected to a circuit that feeds several points?

 

[Geordie Spark]

I'm still here, just been silenced by all the digs!

If we/they are doing something you feel is incorrect, why not just state so?

When I said 'installation' I meant the installation of the appliance not the electrical installation, as in:
Zs=as in the max measured EFLI from the point of connection of the circuit, ie where the cooker is installed as it's a radial.

Well why didn't you say that in the first place????!!! :frown2:

On this little forum we have folk of many trades who have a vast array of skills and talents which makes us a formidable force of knowledge but there is one skill that NONE of us have and that is .......mind reading!!

Give us ALL the info in a clear and concise order and you'll get all the help you need - and more!. BUT **** about giving incomplete information in dribs & drabs and WE'LL **** about - and THAT is something that we excel in! :sailor:

 

[Octopus]

Hi All,

Just a quick question, I need to get my gas & cooker installers to check earth and bonding conductor presence and sizing, (reg 132.16) what tool, if any, would you recommend? Such as a cable gauge or caliper etc.
What do you guys use, apart from your eyes and experience?

I' d appreciate you suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

So back to the OP:

What exactly are you as a business doing?
What competence do you have?
What competence do your "guys" have?
Do you all have MFT's?


Answer these and then maybe you will get some straight answers!

If you don't I'll need to brush off my crystal ball.

 

[Tof99]

So you need to ensure the CCC of the cable is adequate for the appliance if supplied on a dedicated radial. Or meets VD and Zs values if connected to a circuit that feeds several points?

Hi again Dillb;

The installers are doing all of the above and are OK with that.

They are now expected to confirm main earth and bonding CSA are up to spec. as requested by NICEIC, but as we all have stated in the thread, it's not that easy for a non 'sparky' to do this.

Thanks for all the help and feedback too. Next post I will ensure I word it correctly and keep it simple

 

[Tof99]

So back to the OP:

What exactly are you as a business doing?
What competence do you have?
What competence do your "guys" have?
Do you all have MFT's?


Answer these and then maybe you will get some straight answers!

If you don't I'll need to brush off my crystal ball.

Hi again Murdoch,

Thanks for the reply,

-The guys install electric and gas cooking appliances
-I'm an electrician
-The guys are electrically competent in their world i.e. installing electric cooking, but aren't electricians
-Yes, they all have Fluke 1653s

I didn't word the OP very well, all I was trying to ask was how could an inexperienced person identify the earth and bonding conductors CSA. I really must read things before I post.

Anyway thanks for all the help and banter!

 

[Tof99]

Well why didn't you say that in the first place????!!! :frown2:

On this little forum we have folk of many trades who have a vast array of skills and talents which makes us a formidable force of knowledge but there is one skill that NONE of us have and that is .......mind reading!!

Give us ALL the info in a clear and concise order and you'll get all the help you need - and more!. BUT **** about giving incomplete information in dribs & drabs and WE'LL **** about - and THAT is something that we excel in! :sailor:

I've learnt the hard way Geordie! Next time I'll try and cut the sh*te and ask the correct question.

Thanks for all the feedback and banter!

 

[Geordie Spark]

I've learnt the hard way Geordie! Next time I'll try and cut the sh*te and ask the correct question.

Thanks for all the feedback and banter!

Good lad!

Respect to you. :icon12: