Fire Alarm Wiring Problem

[davy d]

Hi Guys.

Would like your thoughts on this.
Working in a nursing home and have found the smoke detectors and break glasses to be wired in twin and earth.
Pretty sure this was ok years ago but surely it should have been upgraded to to fp by now.

They appear to have a company who are happy to certify the system each year but as they want some detectors moved I would be responsible as the last person working at it.

Any one up on the fire alarm regs?

DD

 

[sedgy34]

They must put down on cert every year doesn't comply to current regs

 

[davy d]

Oksedgy34
Think I will tell them in writing that its not up to spec just to keep myself right.

Thanks
DD

 

[needasparks]

I had the exact same problem, I told them it did not comply and gave a quote to rewire.
They then got a non-registered company who write there own certs and were happy to cert it, as it was for the next council inspection.
really bugs me that these homes can use who they like as long as they get some paper to show and no one checks it.

 

[alarm man]

theres loads of systems with detection circs wired in t&e,it would have complied when installed,tho you cant force them to have it upgraded as its still to the spec/regs it was installed too,id wire any extensions in fp or pyro to keep yourself right and note it on complertion cert as advise cable/panel/detection upgrade which ever applies

 

[i=p/u]

alarm man can i come work for you, you know your ****, just 3 years you need to put up with me or make me supivisor

 

[alarm man]

alarm man can i come work for you, you know your ****, just 3 years you need to put up with me or make me supivisor

im no expert at nowt mate,i know bits and bobs that get me through the day and pay the bills,like most always trying to learn something new every day..anyone who sits back and thinks thats it ive nothing more to learn is a liar

 

[tazz]

Upto 1984 T&E was acceptable only if it was installed in steel conduit, this has now been preceeded with FP100 singles.
Therefore as Alarm man states it would have met to regs on that date of installation.
Best thing ever is to always document your findings on any cert you issue (Backside covering).

Alot of Nursing homes have got away with badly installed and maintained systems for years, but there is now its backfiring on them, under new leglisations being put into place.

 

[UNG]

A lot of fire alarms in the early eighties in nursing homes had the detection circuits wired in T&E or similar PVC cable and the sounder circuits wired in MI or FP seem to recall the system went to fire if a fault occurred in the detection circuit

 

[UNG]

Alot of Nursing homes have got away with badly installed and maintained systems for years, but there is now its backfiring on them, under new leglisations being put into place.

Seen a lot with badly installed / incorrectly fixed FP / Firetuf cable over the years that has never been noted on the maintenance certs

 

[tazz]

Seen a lot with badly installed / incorrectly fixed FP / Firetuf cable over the years that has never been noted on the maintenance certs

This is why a full survey should be done before takening on any maintainance contract. Anything you then feel is install incorrectly or does not comply, put done on a report, Again backside covering.