S
Specialist
I'm only 39 then, 
Same with most professions Ken. I've been in my current profession for 29 years and it's completely different from when I first started. Still have to deal with the same old ---- but now bogged down with high levels of bureaucracy and risk assessments. People can walk in after passing a few exams and doing a bit of training but the real learning doesn't start until you do the job and learn by experience and that never stops.
you must be older. my first year as apprentice was £6-15-0 per week.Cheeky SodI'm not quite as old as Tel & Pete
That course looks like he will obtain his 2392 2394/5 ? Also can do that for half the price
S
Specialist
No mate, my starting pay was £5.00 a week. Boss bought me a basic toolkit & took money out of my £5.00 each week to pay for it.
Gakure
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The guy is a con, e tried on me...
Dom, it's a scam!! Don't do it you will waste your money....I think you allready realise this hence you are asking other established electricians
LOL trainee electrician myself. Paid 7500 for a course which is mostly self study but practical modules and time spent on site is mandatory there is no such thing as a qualification without a portfolio. They've said the average study time for a mature adult is 3 years including on site time.
I'm a time served spread. There are 7 day and 2 week courses to become a plasterer. It took me 3 years before I was set loose alone again as a mature learner.
I think if you start as a kid the first two years are spent learning how to sweep up and get off your mobile phone. 3 Years seems realistic for most trades though Electricians training is a lot more cerebral so if you are more hands on than not maybe its not a good idea. But what the hell would I know. I do know most sparks aren't the hands on type its why they can't set a back box properly or pin a cable
I'm a time served spread. There are 7 day and 2 week courses to become a plasterer. It took me 3 years before I was set loose alone again as a mature learner.
I think if you start as a kid the first two years are spent learning how to sweep up and get off your mobile phone. 3 Years seems realistic for most trades though Electricians training is a lot more cerebral so if you are more hands on than not maybe its not a good idea. But what the hell would I know. I do know most sparks aren't the hands on type its why they can't set a back box properly or pin a cable
I'm spending a lot of time on sites now as agency mate or improver and it's because I'm a mature learner, have paid to change career and want to learn and do my absolute best in every install.
I'm almost at the total of my NVQ as I've compiled so much evidence and photographed it and written it up and learnt from everyone of those moments.
I'm moving into the commercial after 2 1/2 years of domestic and the whole thought pattern is shifted and the tools used are different for containment and fixing.
I've been working with a 21 year old qualified and fair play he gets on with it but I think maturity makes me think about how to do things with a bit more common sense (but still respect to him).
I'm enjoying this journey and keep making the right decisions which are taking me on a good path.
This forum has been great and as Hightower said the other day, has been fundamental in my learning and that's what it's about - learning. You don't get this trade handed to you otherwise you'll fail on the first day or end up with your work on 'dodgy trade pics' and none of us want to be there.
Crack on - I am!
Ps. I AM a tool tart. I've got in my shopping basket 200mm knipex 20 degree bolt croppers for basket and some nibblers for tray. I cannot do the work if I don't have the tools. The right tools make the job easier and more enjoyable. Did I hear an Amen?
I'm almost at the total of my NVQ as I've compiled so much evidence and photographed it and written it up and learnt from everyone of those moments.
I'm moving into the commercial after 2 1/2 years of domestic and the whole thought pattern is shifted and the tools used are different for containment and fixing.
I've been working with a 21 year old qualified and fair play he gets on with it but I think maturity makes me think about how to do things with a bit more common sense (but still respect to him).
I'm enjoying this journey and keep making the right decisions which are taking me on a good path.
This forum has been great and as Hightower said the other day, has been fundamental in my learning and that's what it's about - learning. You don't get this trade handed to you otherwise you'll fail on the first day or end up with your work on 'dodgy trade pics' and none of us want to be there.
Crack on - I am!
Ps. I AM a tool tart. I've got in my shopping basket 200mm knipex 20 degree bolt croppers for basket and some nibblers for tray. I cannot do the work if I don't have the tools. The right tools make the job easier and more enjoyable. Did I hear an Amen?
S
Squid
As above when I started it was 4 weeks at college and 2 on site for the first year then 2 at college and 4 on site for the second then the 3rd and 4th years was day release 3rd on a Monday 4th on a Friday which was a big mistake, a 20 year old let loose at Uxbridge Tech which was also a secretarial college wasn't going to end well and I think I failed the next level up, think it was the one that gets you to approved status.
Lots of fun though, Sally and her red leather shorts/minis/crop tops mmmmmmm
Back to earth.
These courses have been going on for years as I remember back in the 80's being sent out by my company for 3 days someone along the North Circular near Eltham I believe to sit in on a course that was helping the unemployed get back to work, I think it was something like a 1 year course, I felt wrong and dirty being there especially when I had to do 4.5 years.
No long weights, sky hooks, bubble for a level sweeping floors making the teas bloke turning up on site the day after Valentines days and dropping his trousers and showing us the suspenders an stockings he bought for his missus but she called him a perv and told him to wear them himself and he did, ah those where the days.
Sorry got carried away.
Lots of fun though, Sally and her red leather shorts/minis/crop tops mmmmmmm
Back to earth.
These courses have been going on for years as I remember back in the 80's being sent out by my company for 3 days someone along the North Circular near Eltham I believe to sit in on a course that was helping the unemployed get back to work, I think it was something like a 1 year course, I felt wrong and dirty being there especially when I had to do 4.5 years.
No long weights, sky hooks, bubble for a level sweeping floors making the teas bloke turning up on site the day after Valentines days and dropping his trousers and showing us the suspenders an stockings he bought for his missus but she called him a perv and told him to wear them himself and he did, ah those where the days.
Sorry got carried away.
S
Squid
Half Portuguese and half Arabian, I never knew that you could get in to so many positions inside a Ford Capri.
Was in a nightclub once and she was wearing, well not much and some bloke walked up to me and said "you lucky b*****d" lol
holeydub
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Perused over the pages so forgive me if i've missed anything, long story short i've been away from the industry for 8-9 years' ish and i've gone back to finish what i started years before that (C&G 2360) but rather than do an NVQ refresher i've gone back to take the newer qualifications, giving me the chance to finally get my inspection and testing albeit the fast way but id rather not be sitting on day release again.
However I can tell you one thing. The guys that are along side me are really finding it quite difficult, the basic practical skills aren't there and it shows as does not having the technical knowledge and experience. There is a lot I had forgotten but it is flooding back hence why i am able to steam further ahead than the rest, i'm still having to study its certainly not a walk in the park.
My advise would be find the right course 2365 etc and work towards it. Get the level two under your belt then start looking for mate work and build your experience and qualifications from there. These guys on the course will maybe scrap through getting the minimum pass rates but wont have the necessary exposure to move forward. I am only lucky as i had been in game a long while back and had years of commercial exposure from being on the tools to project managing contracts.
Either way good luck, just make sure you do your homework before you shell out any monies
However I can tell you one thing. The guys that are along side me are really finding it quite difficult, the basic practical skills aren't there and it shows as does not having the technical knowledge and experience. There is a lot I had forgotten but it is flooding back hence why i am able to steam further ahead than the rest, i'm still having to study its certainly not a walk in the park.
My advise would be find the right course 2365 etc and work towards it. Get the level two under your belt then start looking for mate work and build your experience and qualifications from there. These guys on the course will maybe scrap through getting the minimum pass rates but wont have the necessary exposure to move forward. I am only lucky as i had been in game a long while back and had years of commercial exposure from being on the tools to project managing contracts.
Either way good luck, just make sure you do your homework before you shell out any monies
T
Toneyz
by how much Tel ?
If we were to have a poll (useful at present) I would say by £4.55 but that's including the pork scratching and scampie fries!
So I've passaed the 17 edition today Yupiee! next in line free PAT testing and Instalation and testing.
Well whoppe do
A run through this thread puts a spotlight on the problem us newbies; however dedicated we are, have to face. Rip off private colleges compete against dead beat FE institutions full of "better in my day" theorists who either can't hack real work or are cruising to retirement.
We are told we can qualify in months but not that no one will give you a start - qualified or not. Tools have moved on and turning up without a full compliment of battery kit will get you on cable pulling duty for months. Everyone knows why we are wrong (we look up info on Web based phones. Get used to it). There is absolutely NO informed help and advice out there; this forum is a bloody great spotlight of information in a dark world of mis-information.
This is not aimed at anyone in paticular and no one need take personal offence but it takes big ones to be an apprentice clearing 30 - 40 a day. Thanks guys and good luck to the newbies hoping they made the right choice.
We are told we can qualify in months but not that no one will give you a start - qualified or not. Tools have moved on and turning up without a full compliment of battery kit will get you on cable pulling duty for months. Everyone knows why we are wrong (we look up info on Web based phones. Get used to it). There is absolutely NO informed help and advice out there; this forum is a bloody great spotlight of information in a dark world of mis-information.
This is not aimed at anyone in paticular and no one need take personal offence but it takes big ones to be an apprentice clearing 30 - 40 a day. Thanks guys and good luck to the newbies hoping they made the right choice.
From where I'm standing, it just isn't possible to become an electrician in four months.
Given that a four-year apprenticeship was considered the norm back in the 1970s when I started-out, I just don't see how it would be possible for anyone starting-out today to acquire the same level of knowledge and skills in any less time. More so when one takes into consideration the fact that with constant technological advances, the levels of knowledge and skills required today are much greater than at any time in the entire history of the trade. Under the circumstances perhaps an apprenticeship lasting a minimum of 5 years would be more appropriate.
Furthermore, there aren't any time-served sparks that I know who would disagree that the real learning curve began in earnest on the day that our apprenticeships ended. From thereon we had to think for ourselves. We were on our own with no Internet forums to turn to for help and advice. Even now at 58 years of age with 37 years post-apprenticeship experience under my belt I still don't know it all. What I do know, however, is that in this trade the learning curve is never-ending.
Given that a four-year apprenticeship was considered the norm back in the 1970s when I started-out, I just don't see how it would be possible for anyone starting-out today to acquire the same level of knowledge and skills in any less time. More so when one takes into consideration the fact that with constant technological advances, the levels of knowledge and skills required today are much greater than at any time in the entire history of the trade. Under the circumstances perhaps an apprenticeship lasting a minimum of 5 years would be more appropriate.
Furthermore, there aren't any time-served sparks that I know who would disagree that the real learning curve began in earnest on the day that our apprenticeships ended. From thereon we had to think for ourselves. We were on our own with no Internet forums to turn to for help and advice. Even now at 58 years of age with 37 years post-apprenticeship experience under my belt I still don't know it all. What I do know, however, is that in this trade the learning curve is never-ending.
Hi Everyone
An update for this topic. So I have listened the older and wiser guys ( One said. To be old and wise You need to be young and stupid) on this forum and went to the collage And I must say it was a good decision. I could call myself a lucky one as I have found an employment on commercial site and I have been working there for the last 4 months and I am enjoying of every moment out there. My supervisor said that I am working as I had a 2 years of experience in the industry, which build up my confidence. I even got a pay rise. So things are going really well.
An update for this topic. So I have listened the older and wiser guys ( One said. To be old and wise You need to be young and stupid) on this forum and went to the collage And I must say it was a good decision. I could call myself a lucky one as I have found an employment on commercial site and I have been working there for the last 4 months and I am enjoying of every moment out there. My supervisor said that I am working as I had a 2 years of experience in the industry, which build up my confidence. I even got a pay rise. So things are going really well.
so what qualifications do you hold to date?
No qualification yet. I'm doing level 2 at collage and have passed the 17-edition. Working towards full qualifications.
Without commitment and desire to be successful what's the point to wake up early in the morning for another days of struggles. I choose this path to be able to provide professional service at every step of my way to be called an Electrician.
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