I do agree shakey,if the job can be done well and by a fully knowledgeable person then part p and the like and the certs shouldnt play too much..alot of the old boys out there havent this stuff but fully know their stuff.
I was more on about the guys that get up one morning and decide to be an electrician and do this course buy a van and become the same as the rest of us with no knowledge of the job or experience.
I know of a few folk who have set up with really limited knowledge who dont know how to test,don't know three phase or two way switching or boiler wiring etc and cant work off an electrical wiring diagram.
yet the law never catches these guys...and now some are protected by part p.
i agree if you know the job then ok...but there are so many out there trading unsafe.
but i guess that it'll always happen..cos unless the government make money on it they aint interested.
I know this qualified/part P things ruffles alot of feathers..but the ones i'm on about are the ones who don't know what they're doing.
all i want is a way we can all trade without getting dragged down by guys who don't know what they are doing.
a pipedream big style...
ok Rabec, glad to see that you have backed down from your original 'fully qualified' argument
but in some ways i am dissapointed
because you, like my good friend Easyfox, and like so may others, throw up the argument, but when challaenged to state what they mean by terms like 'fully qualified' fail to do so
now you have tried to give answers to a question that wasnt asked (in my opinion anyway), and i think it could lead to a really meaningfull discussion
so come one, you've dangled the carrot, allow us to take a bite
what do you, as the originator of this thread, think constitutes a 'fully qualified' or 'proper sparks'?
theres loads of old boys who dont test, and dont have 2391
and what is the ratio of 2391 guys to non 2391 guys?
in my experience (and yes, i do have some) about 20-30% of sparks in any firm wield a multifunction tester in anger
so the guy with 30 yrs experience, who is happy to throw cables about, but is not interested in testing and certifying - proper sparks or not?
or guys like me, got 2391, about 20 of my 25 yrs as an electrician spent inspecting and testing, and ALL of it installing (mostly industrial) with LOADS of quals, but no 2330 or equivalent
proper sparks or not?
gauntlet laid down