So the Scots vote No on Thursday, how would you vote

[Octopus]

At the moment the Scottish MP's can, and do vote on bills passing through Parliament which don't affect them.

So if the Scots vote no and stay part of the Union should the Scottish MP's be allowed to vote on English/Welsh matters?

 

[dingledong]

No
Because the government is giving them more powers of self government so I want the same therefore no Scots voting on English bills etc

 

[trev]

No
Because the government is giving them more powers of self government so I want the same therefore no Scots voting on English bills etc

The promise of more power is the bribe to get the no vote, it's not the reason people are voting no.

 

[Spoon]

Is it just me that feels like the Schottish being asked to vote is like a little boy asking to choose between to phedo's.... you know you are going to get shafted whatever happens.

 

[trev]

It's a bit of a daft question really, for 300 years Westminster has decided what will happen north of the border. Since our present system evolved English, Welsh and Irish MPs have all voted on policies which don't necessarily have an impact on their part of the union and no one has ever had a problem with it.
Devolving more powers to Scotland will inevitably lead to devolution campaigns in the regions of the UK, I'm against this. When a northern region assembly was proposed a few years ago it turned out that if granted it would be just another tier of bureaucracy with no actual powers, obviously this would be just another cost which the tax payer would have to bear.

 

[Octopus]

It's a bit of a daft question really, for 300 years Westminster has decided what will happen north of the border. Since our present system evolved English, Welsh and Irish MPs have all voted on policies which don't necessarily have an impact on their part of the union and no one has ever had a problem with it.
Devolving more powers to Scotland will inevitably lead to devolution campaigns in the regions of the UK, I'm against this. When a northern region assembly was proposed a few years ago it turned out that if granted it would be just another tier of bureaucracy with no actual powers, obviously this would be just another cost which the tax payer would have to bear.

Er, no its not.

Tony Blair only got tuition fees for rUK students past in Parliament, with the backing of the Scottish MP's - this was hardly fair and I think such votes should never happen again!

 

[trev]

Er, no its not.

Tony Blair only got tuition fees for rUK students past in Parliament, with the backing of the Scottish MP's - this was hardly fair and I think such votes should never happen again!

So carry it to it's ridiculous conclusion, an issue comes up which affects Cumbria and no other part of the country. By applying the same logic then only Cumbrian MPs should get to vote on it.

 

[Octopus]

So carry it to it's ridiculous conclusion, an issue comes up which affects Cumbria and no other part of the country. By applying the same logic then only Cumbrian MPs should get to vote on it.

Thats bxllxcks and you know it.

my point is that English mps aren't allowed to vote in holyryd on Scottish only matters so why should Scottish mps vote on English only matters?

 

[trev]

I see your point and to a point agree, but you don't seem to see mine. Why does an MP who represents your constituency have a vote on something which happens in mine?
Because the system, as flawed as it is, is the best available.

 

[Rockingit]

I've largely kept my thoughts out of this whole debate, which I'll for the most part continue to do, but I think one fundamental principle whichever way the vote goes has to be 'together (and equal)' or 'apart'. You can't have some grey area in the middle of somethings to some and not to others, that's part of what's gotten us all into this mess in the first place. Well, that and Mel Gibson.

 

[Octopus]

I see your point and to a point agree, but you don't seem to see mine. Why does an MP who represents your constituency have a vote on something which happens in mine?
Because the system, as flawed as it is, is the best available.

The whole point is that English and Welsh MP's collectively vote on English and Welsh matters and Scottish vote on Scottish only matters.

Obviously they would ALL vote on UK matters!

 

[trev]

So why would a Welsh MP get a say on an English matter and vice versa.

 

[Octopus]

So why would a Welsh MP get a say on an English matter and vice versa.

Thats what happens currently except the Scots have their vote on our matters too!

The Welsh can only vote on some of their "things" - Englandis the only country in the union without this "pleasure"

Seems to me like too many paper pushers, and duplicate levels!

 

[chris murphy]

"Hello All",

I know that this will probably result in Me being ridiculed and I obviously do know the basic principle of a `Democratic Vote`:

I realise that there had to be a way of finding out Public opinion in Scotland about becoming `Independent` from the rest of the UK and that this is why a Referendum was put in place.

BUT - now that the Opinion Polls are showing almost a 50 / 50 Split YES / NO to the Scottish Independence question would it really be a `Fair Result` if YES was voted by 51% to 49% ?

IF that happens this `Democratic Vote` would impose the Result on virtually HALF the population who do NOT want that result.

Would HALF of ANY Group of People be happily resigned to the result of a `Fair Vote` about something as important as this going against their wishes / opinions ?

The idea of `Majority Rule` in any situation would not make for a satisfied group of People if the result was 51% / 49% - there would be too many dissatisfied People !

I would have thought that there should have been a Vote in Scotland to see what percentage of the population supported `Scottish Independence` and then IF the result showed a SIGNIFICANT percentage wanted it a Referendum would follow to then sign the will of a SIGNIFICANT majority into Law / Legislate for Scottish Independence.

Personally I don`t feel that Scotland should become Independent on a VERY small percentage - IF the `YES` vote wins - because it will be against the wishes of almost HALF the population.

What do other Members think about my comments ?

Regards,

Chris

 

[Octopus]

If the outcome, either way, is as close as the pollsters predict, the harmony and tranquility of Scotland could be ruined for ever.

I simply can't imagine the Yes campaign taking a narrow defeat graciously

 

[BES]

"Hello All",

I know that this will probably result in Me being ridiculed and I obviously do know the basic principle of a `Democratic Vote`:

I realise that there had to be a way of finding out Public opinion in Scotland about becoming `Independent` from the rest of the UK and that this is why a Referendum was put in place.

BUT - now that the Opinion Polls are showing almost a 50 / 50 Split YES / NO to the Scottish Independence question would it really be a `Fair Result` if YES was voted by 51% to 49% ?

IF that happens this `Democratic Vote` would impose the Result on virtually HALF the population who do NOT want that result.

Would HALF of ANY Group of People be happily resigned to the result of a `Fair Vote` about something as important as this going against their wishes / opinions ?

The idea of `Majority Rule` in any situation would not make for a satisfied group of People if the result was 51% / 49% - there would be too many dissatisfied People !

I would have thought that there should have been a Vote in Scotland to see what percentage of the population supported `Scottish Independence` and then IF the result showed a SIGNIFICANT percentage wanted it a Referendum would follow to then sign the will of a SIGNIFICANT majority into Law / Legislate for Scottish Independence.

Personally I don`t feel that Scotland should become Independent on a VERY small percentage - IF the `YES` vote wins - because it will be against the wishes of almost HALF the population.

What do other Members think about my comments ?

Regards,

Chris

I'm hoping for a scottish civil war friday.

 

[Slowhand]

I don't care, I just wish they'd shut up about it.

 

[chris murphy]

"Hello again",


I am hoping for some replies / comments from our Members in Scotland.

Regards,

Chris

 

[Octopus]

"Hello again",


I am hoping for some replies / comments from our Members in Scotland.

Regards,

Chris

I thought this thread may get more comments full stop!

 

[trev]

Chris I'm not a Scot but in response to your 51/49% question.
What do you call a clear majority? I'd say 2% more represents that.
If you don't agree then where are you going to draw the line and why? Why would, for arguments sake, 67.3% be more palatable than 50.9%
If more people want something than don't then they get it. That's the way a democratic society is supposed to work except in the case of our general elections where historically parties have gained power despite effectively more voting against them than for them.