So the Scots vote No on Thursday, how would you vote

[Octopus]

At the moment the Scottish MP's can, and do vote on bills passing through Parliament which don't affect them.

So if the Scots vote no and stay part of the Union should the Scottish MP's be allowed to vote on English/Welsh matters?

 

[dingledong]

No
Because the government is giving them more powers of self government so I want the same therefore no Scots voting on English bills etc

 

[trev]

No
Because the government is giving them more powers of self government so I want the same therefore no Scots voting on English bills etc

The promise of more power is the bribe to get the no vote, it's not the reason people are voting no.

 

[Spoon]

Is it just me that feels like the Schottish being asked to vote is like a little boy asking to choose between to phedo's.... you know you are going to get shafted whatever happens.

 

[trev]

It's a bit of a daft question really, for 300 years Westminster has decided what will happen north of the border. Since our present system evolved English, Welsh and Irish MPs have all voted on policies which don't necessarily have an impact on their part of the union and no one has ever had a problem with it.
Devolving more powers to Scotland will inevitably lead to devolution campaigns in the regions of the UK, I'm against this. When a northern region assembly was proposed a few years ago it turned out that if granted it would be just another tier of bureaucracy with no actual powers, obviously this would be just another cost which the tax payer would have to bear.

 

[Octopus]

It's a bit of a daft question really, for 300 years Westminster has decided what will happen north of the border. Since our present system evolved English, Welsh and Irish MPs have all voted on policies which don't necessarily have an impact on their part of the union and no one has ever had a problem with it.
Devolving more powers to Scotland will inevitably lead to devolution campaigns in the regions of the UK, I'm against this. When a northern region assembly was proposed a few years ago it turned out that if granted it would be just another tier of bureaucracy with no actual powers, obviously this would be just another cost which the tax payer would have to bear.

Er, no its not.

Tony Blair only got tuition fees for rUK students past in Parliament, with the backing of the Scottish MP's - this was hardly fair and I think such votes should never happen again!

 

[trev]

Er, no its not.

Tony Blair only got tuition fees for rUK students past in Parliament, with the backing of the Scottish MP's - this was hardly fair and I think such votes should never happen again!

So carry it to it's ridiculous conclusion, an issue comes up which affects Cumbria and no other part of the country. By applying the same logic then only Cumbrian MPs should get to vote on it.

 

[Octopus]

So carry it to it's ridiculous conclusion, an issue comes up which affects Cumbria and no other part of the country. By applying the same logic then only Cumbrian MPs should get to vote on it.

Thats bxllxcks and you know it.

my point is that English mps aren't allowed to vote in holyryd on Scottish only matters so why should Scottish mps vote on English only matters?

 

[trev]

I see your point and to a point agree, but you don't seem to see mine. Why does an MP who represents your constituency have a vote on something which happens in mine?
Because the system, as flawed as it is, is the best available.

 

[Rockingit]

I've largely kept my thoughts out of this whole debate, which I'll for the most part continue to do, but I think one fundamental principle whichever way the vote goes has to be 'together (and equal)' or 'apart'. You can't have some grey area in the middle of somethings to some and not to others, that's part of what's gotten us all into this mess in the first place. Well, that and Mel Gibson.