Bw swa glands used out side

[davetherave1979]

Bw glands have been used on a caravan park with the swa being used as the earth 2 core 16mm my customer has gone back to the people how did the work and they say that the nic and regs say that they are ok are they talking s***

 

[Amp David]

I'd never use BW glands outside, as they're internal use.

Even CW glands don't offer that much protection against water IMO

 

[davetherave1979]

there solicotors say that they are ok to use as they are 1px4 and this is what they say the regs says the regs say that the need to be ip44 for sockets to a caravan the bw glands are used on the landloards suppyls to the external meter boxes then the caravans mobile homes are feed from these there is 700 that need changing

 

[Darkwood]

Bw are usually indoor glanding kits. (dry atmosphere)
Cw are both indoor and outdoor (but dont have high IP rating) but they wont corrode with outdoor moisture.
Ew are usually IP rated weather proof glands.

Im totally mesmorised by the no' of sparkies out there that think cw glands can be used when exposed to weather or water ingress, and most have never even heard of Ew glands........ Noted different brands may have slightly different coding but this B,C,E tends to be universal in meaning.

 

[Darkwood]

you need to establish whos brand of gland they are but if bw i can confidently say they are for internal use in dry conditions, if they are exposed in any way or suseptable to moisture they are highly likely to be incorrect.. your next step would be to get manufacturers spec on glands as its their wording that will be your strongest case. Its part of the regs that manufacturers guidelines have to be followed.

A pic' of one of these said glanded cables would say a thousand words if possible

 

[johnboy6083]

even E1W glands are pants if they are installed without the correct washers. The only difference between E1W's and CW's is the extra compression seal that compresses around the inner sheah of the cable.

 

[Darkwood]

even E1W glands are pants if they are installed without the correct washers. The only difference between E1W's and CW's is the extra compression seal that compresses around the inner sheah of the cable.

Goes without saying anything fitted incorrectly may not give the protection or function to which its designed but thats a different argument altogether pushing on the incompetence of said fitter.

 

[roukel01]

I currently work on a caravan site, non of the install work has been carried out by us and is at least 10 years old. all hookups are fed via SWA cables, glanded off with standard BW glands.

Not one of these glands are showing any significant signs of deterioration and the earth loop readings have been the same for years.

 

[Darkwood]

Its possible to achieve a situe where bw would last, as in good tight shroud, glanding from the underside so rain etc cant run down cable into gland but in above situe the regs do now indicate manufacturers guidelines should be followed and most manufactures if not all do state their bw range for indoor use only.
If i was said company who had fitted glands i would probably save face and use amalgamating tape to ensure good seal on glands with a 5yr garauntee on them been replaced if any sign of corrosion, they are correct in the regs calling for IP44 but it states as a minimum and each case should be addressed to see if IP44 is adequate but it dosn't excuse the use of an indoor gland in what i assume is an outdoor situe.

 

[Guitarist]

Used loads of CW glands in the manufacturing industry several years ago and rated at IP66 on the outer sheath. Never had any problems with them. Am I to assume that recently they have lost this rating? Still got a few in my garage and I can vouch that they are high-pressure hose-proof.

 

[davetherave1979]

Hi Ever one the glands are alowing water in as we have everdance of the swa corroiding with high readings on zs they have used the swa as the main earth with a 2 core 16mm if it was 3 core then they could stay as they were as it wouldnt mater as much

 

[davetherave1979]

Thanks so far

 

[Guitarist]

Hi Ever one the glands are alowing water in as we have everdance of the swa corroiding with high readings on zs they have used the swa as the main earth with a 2 core 16mm if it was 3 core then they could stay as they were as it wouldnt mater as much

Evidence?

 

[Darkwood]

Hi Ever one the glands are alowing water in as we have everdance of the swa corroiding with high readings on zs they have used the swa as the main earth with a 2 core 16mm if it was 3 core then they could stay as they were as it wouldnt mater as much

If corrosion has already started then its clear there is a problem, get an independant locally respected NICEIC approved company to do a report on the situe, as well as getting hold of gland manufacturers tech' spec sheets for the glands and build your case from there.
The solicitors letter you received may give you concern that they are in the right but the solicitor isnt an electrician and all hes done is qoute a regulation hes been shown and been hoodwinked into believing said company are not liable, i can only assume its a scare tactic hoping you will drop the complaint but i feel you have good grounds here although getting the back-up of a local company and forwarding there finding to their solicitor may make him retract his initial letter.
If you post your area im sure a respectable member will have read this situe and be able to issue you with his finding in a report form. I know your not near me as the only caravans around me are the gypo's

Sorry Dave .... just reread your OP.... and realised its your customer and not as i assumed you been the site owner, its the questioning that mislead me, if you are qualified to do so issue a report about it if not do as i said above.

 

[Guitarist]

If corrosion has already started then its clear there is a problem, get an independant locally respected NICEIC approved company to do a report on the situe, as well as getting hold of gland manufacturers tech' spec sheets for the glands and build your case from there.
The solicitors letter you received may give you concern that they are in the right but the solicitor isnt an electrician and all hes done is qoute a regulation hes been shown and been hoodwinked into believing said company are not liable, i can only assume its a scare tactic hoping you will drop the complaint but i feel you have good grounds here although getting the back-up of a local company and forwarding there finding to their solicitor may make him retract his initial letter.
If you post your area im sure a respectable member will have read this situe and be able to issue you with his finding in a report form. I know your not near me as the only caravans around me are the gypo's

Sorry Dave .... just reread your OP.... and realised its your customer and not as i assumed you been the site owner, its the questioning that mislead me, if you are qualified to do so issue a report about it if not do as i said above.

Non-NICEIC no good?