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timhoward · Jul 12, 2022

Slow to the party, going back to that fire alarm…
1- I wouldn’t want to be that last one that touched that.
2- isn’t there also a band 1 and band 2 voltage in same containment issue? 24v dc and 230v ac in same trunking?
3 - as above the sounder circuit setup isn’t correct
4 - Hope it’s on its own circuit. At least stick it on an unswitched spur - you don’t want someone switching off the fire alarm. I’m out of date but I believe Bs5389 mandates a red key switch these days?
The alarm monkeys should be putting this right and taking responsibility for it!

UNG · Jul 12, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
little find in a barristers house
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Don't barristers work with briefs so just call it a little bit of research for work

telectrix · Jul 12, 2022

missed out on a EICR as himeowner's insurance insisted on NICEIC or Napit. he missed a couple of things, this being the worst.

timhoward said:
Slow to the party, going back to that fire alarm…
1- I wouldn’t want to be that last one that touched that.
2- isn’t there also a band 1 and band 2 voltage in same containment issue? 24v dc and 230v ac in same trunking? OK as long as all cables are rated the same voltage. i.e. in this case 230V+
3 - as above the sounder circuit setup isn’t correct
4 - Hope it’s on its own circuit. At least stick it on an unswitched spur - you don’t want someone switching off the fire alarm. I’m out of date but I believe Bs5389 mandates a red key switch these days?
The alarm monkeys should be putting this right and taking responsibility for it!

Panel should have been mounted uo against the trunking, allowing just for trunking lid. then no unsightly FP drops.

timhoward · Jul 12, 2022

telectrix said:
missed out on a EICR as himeowner's insurance insisted on NICEIC or Napit. he missed a couple of things, this being the worst.

So likely didn't remove cover at all then!
(and thanks for reminding me that if the cable is insulated to the highest voltage present that reg is satisfied.)

mainline · Jul 12, 2022

UNG said:
Don't barristers work with briefs so just call it a little bit of research for work

He will probably deny all knowledge of them, but if you look you will see insulation on his knees

littlespark · Jul 14, 2022

Back to work after Covid, and started on a kitchen that should have started last week.
Builder has already been in, ripped out the the old kitchen, tiles, flooring… the lot.

Which left the electrics in not the best condition.

The owners have moved out, so there was nothing stopping him attempting to turn things off at the board…

Switches and sockets hanging on cables where he’d taken a wall down… other sockets broken where he’d struck them with a hammer when taking tiles off…. And taped up cable for oven, with the cooker switch on!
Oh, and old extractor point removed… cables taped up separately…. Leaving the rfc as an incomplete ring.

telectrix · Jul 14, 2022

a proper builder would have used sellotape on those ends, not electrical tape.

littlespark · Jul 14, 2022

Zoom in on the pic with the cooker switch…. Over to right. The outlet has been taken off and wrapped in tape. The tape has come off a bit and there is bare, live copper showing.

I suppose saving grace is a full RCBO board had been fitted earlier in the year….

GBDamo · Jul 15, 2022

Fortunately RCD protected but a nurse thought she'd help out by replacing the diffuser on this light.

I've a real concerns when it comes to old fluorescent lighting, the heat generated eventually perishes all the plastic components.

In this case its the permanent live terminal that has just crumbled away.

On Monday I did one where the incoming cables had melted to the ballast.

More of a heads up than dodgy work.

Baddegg · Jul 15, 2022

Class 1 exterior light only works when the fan comes on……and then the vent flaps set off the sensor

….peaky cpcs are overrated anyways

On a more serious note the builder that did this and much more just got an 18th suspended sentence for signing off the electrical install of which this is part despite not being an electrician or a member or a scam….he gave the customer an NICEiC form AND signed it in his name

mainline · Jul 15, 2022

Baddegg said:
Class 1 exterior light only works when the fan comes on……and then the vent flaps set off the sensor ….peaky cpcs are overrated anyways
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On a more serious note the builder that did this and much more just got an 18th suspended sentence for signing off the electrical install of which this is part despite not being an electrician or a member or a scam….he gave the customer an NICEiC form AND signed it in his name

I wonder if anything would have come of it if he had got a cert from tool station instead

nicebutdim · Jul 15, 2022

Baddegg said:
Class 1 exterior light only works when the fan comes on……and then the vent flaps set off the sensor ….peaky cpcs are overrated anyways
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On a more serious note the builder that did this and much more just got an 18th suspended sentence for signing off the electrical install of which this is part despite not being an electrician or a member or a scam….he gave the customer an NICEiC form AND signed it in his name

18 sentences for the same type of offence and each one suspended?

Nothing at all wrong with the justice system it would seem.

Baddegg · Jul 15, 2022

The electrics are only the half of it, I’ve been in the building trade a long time and this build is by far the worst I’ve seen….another example is the pitched roof is just covered over with osb and then the tiles screwed directly to it!….I wish I was joking honestly

…..surprisingly it leaks a little

……he has concreted straight over the main sewer pipe twice on each side of the extension, that cheered up building control no end….

Raptor0014 · Jul 19, 2022

I love it when I get asked to check a board and when I arrive I get told the kitchen fitters did an outstanding job with the electrics...

Well they thought so until I started to point out a few 'anomalies'

CPC's in the way? Just cut them short..

It's in a cupboard so it's ok....

Underfloor heating doesn't work for some reason.....

Lets see now:

Mixed MCBs,
4 conductors shoved into one MCB - though they are all held tight. Not sure if it's the clamp of the fact the cables have no space to move!
End MCB split
Not a lot of room for cables and I'm guessing they don't understand what happens when cables are loaded and they warm up!

And they clearly haven't heard of diversity for that RCD!! Which is supplying:
1 x 40A Shower
1 x 32A Induction Hob
1 x 32A Oven
1 x 32A Kitchen Ring
1 x 32A downstairs ring
1 x 32A upstairs ring

But they have used Hager accessories to match the MCBs and the finish in the kitchen was quite nice....

littlespark · Jul 19, 2022

Pattress box buried in the wall?

"outstanding" isnt the word i would use

Darkwood · Jul 20, 2022

Raptor0014 said:
I love it when I get asked to check a board and when I arrive I get told the kitchen fitters did an outstanding job with the electrics...

Well they thought so until I started to point out a few 'anomalies'

CPC's in the way? Just cut them short..
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It's in a cupboard so it's ok....
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Underfloor heating doesn't work for some reason.....
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Lets see now:

Mixed MCBs,
4 conductors shoved into one MCB - though they are all held tight. Not sure if it's the clamp of the fact the cables have no space to move!
End MCB split
Not a lot of room for cables and I'm guessing they don't understand what happens when cables are loaded and they warm up!

And they clearly haven't heard of diversity for that RCD!! Which is supplying:
1 x 40A Shower
1 x 32A Induction Hob
1 x 32A Oven
1 x 32A Kitchen Ring
1 x 32A downstairs ring
1 x 32A upstairs ring

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But they have used Hager accessories to match the MCBs and the finish in the kitchen was quite nice....

Guessing that 63amp RCD will never be pushed past its 63amp rating if you have a lot of faith, taking that shower while the partner has got all the Xmas dinner cooking in the electric oven and on the electric hob, luckily diversity has a hand but it ain't always that accommodating, lets not forget the gas boiler going faulty and plugging in a few convection heaters in.

Welchyboy1 · Jul 20, 2022

Not an electrical job but a new bathroom installation

I could not believe they got away with installing the towel rail the way they did

lol!

UNG · Jul 20, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
Not an electrical job but a new bathroom installation

I could not believe they got away with installing the towel rail the way they did

lol!

Do you blame the customer for accepting it or the bodger who did it and thought it was an acceptable job

Intoelectrics · Jul 20, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
Not an electrical job but a new bathroom installation

I could not believe they got away with installing the towel rail the way they did

lol!

It amazes me that anyone would do this, its just as easy to do it right in the first place, so why go to the effort of bodging it so badly?
Crazy!!

Glad you shared this by the way

Intoelectrics · Jul 20, 2022

UNG said:
Do you blame the customer for accepting it or the bodger who did it and thought it was an acceptable job

Trouble is some customers haven't a clue what they are looking at, they only see the shinny bits rather than the detail.

Mike Johnson · Jul 20, 2022

Took the trouble to cut the tiles to get the pipe in! would have been easy enough to box in the pipes instead, reverse the flow and move the thermostatic valve to the other end, towel rails are not bothered by the flow direction.

timhoward · Jul 21, 2022

Today's EICR. I was looking for the breaker that supplied the 2nd consumer unit. I couldn't find it.
Then I saw this...ah....right...

Supplying this:

100A supplier fuse, and used to have 25 sq mm tails before 2 cores didn't fit.
16mm T+E to next board. 85A CCC. PME supply. etc.

As far as I could tell the reason it was done is that the top Legrand board is almost totally inaccessible behind a garage door rail (I could only just get the cover off), and the tails entered from the cavity at the rear. The new extension would have required RCD protection for lighting. Most frustratingly the problem that someone didn't feel like the pain of changing the CU has only led to it being more urgent that someone changes the CU.

Somewhat ironically a further fault is that the Proteus RCD didn't trip at x1, x5 or when test button pressed. So all that effort to hack RCD protection in amounted to nothing anyway. The white cable bottom left is a spur to the socket under the board, into which was plugged a granny EV cable.

Raptor0014 · Jul 22, 2022

Found these today whilst on another job.

Module cover held on by a piece of tape and falls off as soon as you lift it up, nicely exposed busbar (which I covered with a blank) and mixed MCBs

Another tape extravaganza. Only if you remove this tape the cover also will just slide off completely as the screw housings are broken, probably done up with an impact driver at some point.

mainline · Jul 22, 2022

You can tell it's the homeowner or man down the pub by the labelling.

Welchyboy1 · Jul 23, 2022

Few on my phone from past jobs

mainline · Jul 23, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
Few on my phone from past jobs

I like the last one reminds me of my childhood.

Was the 3rd one an immersion feed ? I did one the other day that had Wagos , neutral burnt out.

Welchyboy1 · Jul 23, 2022

mainline said:
I like the last one reminds me of my childhood.

It was an EICR

I opened the intake cupboard doors and just thought……..’for f**ks sake!’

Pretty Mouth · Jul 23, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
Few on my phone from past jobs

Paper clip +gaffer tape on that floodlight?

Welchyboy1 · Jul 23, 2022

Pretty Mouth said:
Paper clip +gaffer tape on that floodlight?

You gotta give him top marks for creativity!

telectrix · Jul 23, 2022

this is one i found. missed on EICR by a competi tor. i got the remedials.

Pretty Mouth · Jul 23, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
You gotta give him top marks for creativity!

Sometimes you just gotta make it work

nicebutdim · Jul 24, 2022

Welchyboy1 said:
Few on my phone from past jobs

Did the extractor clean up okay?

GBDamo · Jul 24, 2022

nicebutdim said:
Did the extractor clean up okay?

I had one like that, only the hub had melted out the centre and you could just take the fins out.

I was asked if it can just be cleaned up..

Mike Johnson · Jul 24, 2022

Of course it can be cleaned up, it wont work, but it will be clean.

ferg · Jul 24, 2022

Went to look at an electric boiler not working.
Isolated the boiler at the rotary isolator and CU, phoned the owner and left.
Anyone with a stellar memory may recognise the CU as one I posted last year. Apparently the same guy who installed the boiler fixed all the issues I highlighted on the EICR.
Sent a cover my arse e-mail as soon as I got home with advice to get another opinion and another spark.
Funnily enough my quote to rectify all the rubbish I had previously highlighted was rejected as too expensive. Hence the sulk and leaving him to it.

Baddegg · Jul 24, 2022

Pesky earths…

Outside socket…

mainline · Jul 24, 2022

Baddegg said:
Pesky earths…
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Outside socket…

Yeah, bloody nuisance same as tapping the top and bottom lugs down and not showing the conductor it's fine, nothing's going to go wrong.

Julie. · Jul 24, 2022

ferg said:
Went to look at an electric boiler not working.
Isolated the boiler at the rotary isolator and CU, phoned the owner and left.
Anyone with a stellar memory may recognise the CU as one I posted last year. Apparently the same guy who installed the boiler fixed all the issues I highlighted on the EICR.
Sent a cover my arse e-mail as soon as I got home with advice to get another opinion and another spark.
Funnily enough my quote to rectify all the rubbish I had previously highlighted was rejected as too expensive. Hence the sulk and leaving him to it.

Yeah, why would you bother connecting the cpc on metal cladding kit, suppose that pesky extra unsheathed wire is just for cable stripping after all.

Raptor0014 · Jul 24, 2022

Baddegg said:
Pesky earths…
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Outside socket…

Does this mean you can't use the house fabric, which is built on the earth, as the earth, hence the lead from the backbox to the socket?

Well who knew?.......

By the way that's a genuine question I once got asked by a kitchen fitter who 'knew how to do electrics'!

freddo · Jul 24, 2022

ferg said:
Went to look at an electric boiler not working.
Isolated the boiler at the rotary isolator and CU, phoned the owner and left.
Anyone with a stellar memory may recognise the CU as one I posted last year. Apparently the same guy who installed the boiler fixed all the issues I highlighted on the EICR.
Sent a cover my arse e-mail as soon as I got home with advice to get another opinion and another spark.
Funnily enough my quote to rectify all the rubbish I had previously highlighted was rejected as too expensive. Hence the sulk and leaving him to it.

Does that boiler really have the main supply terminals that close to the edge of the enclosure?! What a terrible design.

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