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Just out of interest if i was to fit a new dual rcd split board and a came across a borrowed netural on a lighting circuit how could i resolve it?
Thanks Chris
Thanks Chris
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If you disagree with what I have said, then tell me why you think this is so dangerous by putting both circuits on the same MCB?
Also if the customer would not have you putting in new circuits....what would you do??
I would have tested and found the borrowed neutrals before the change and if the customer refused the rectification works, I would walk away.
50 fuses or MCB’s returning on a common 0V neutral bus isn’t uncommon,[/QUOTE]
Yes thats found in every fuseboard in the world. And for you to make that comparison with borrowed neutral shows that you don't understand what a borrowed neutral is, and thats why you wrongly believe they are not dangerous.
I'm sure the customer would find another electrician who would change the CU.
I can't believe an electrician said that.
I do agree a borrowed neutral can be dangerous
Thats strange you said in post No 9 they are not dangerous, perhaps you've learnt something today.
If you are going to use one of my quotes (#9) then at least have the decency to use the whole quote (#26) to try and attack me!
If you are going to use one of my quotes (#9) then at least have the decency to use the whole quote (#26) to try and attack me!
Why don't you just admit, that you misread what Ponty was saying?? He has never said, or implied that a shared neutral situation wasn't dangerous.... Then the thread can be left to it's natural conclusion!!
so, in my book this is a "borrowed live" and as such, the borrowed live should be removed and replaced with a feed from the upstairs circuit.
if the customer won't pay, then you have to do the best you can with what you've got. remember BS7671 is non-statutory, and as long as you've left the installation safe, then the inconvenience of losing all lights in the event of a fault is the hard cheese of the skinfint customer, and if he falls down the stairs due to his own greed and miserlines, then TOUGH TITTY.No - the customer does not have the final say when it comes to asking an electrician to contravene the Wiring Regulations.
No - the customer does not have the final say when it comes to asking an electrician to contravene the Wiring Regulations.
Shall we look, with proper multi-quoting, at what Ponty wrote?
Then you can't certify compliance with BS 7671.
With that out of the window, what alternative will you pick to prove compliance with P1?
Yes.
Which you've changed in a way which doesn't comply with BS 7671 - you said so yourself.
Nothing. Nor is there anything to say that there wasn't emergency lighting.
Can it be done in compliance with BS 7671?
No - the customer does not have the final say when it comes to asking an electrician to contravene the Wiring Regulations.
my " duty of care to the client" is to advise him/ner what needs to be done to comply and advise of the cost. if the client won't pay for this work, are you suggesting that i do it for free? if so, you're welcome to come and work for me, for nothing, if that's your view.Indeed.
But if you're registered with NICEIC/NAPIT etc, don't the terms of your registration say that your work must comply with it?
And where the work is done in England or Wales, if you can't claim compliance with BS 7671, what route will you take to ensure compliance with P1?
No - that's not tough titty, it's you failing in your duty of care to your client and acting unprofessionally.
Simple - if I couldn't discharge my duty of care, if I couldn't act with professionalism, if I could not certify that to the best of my knowledge and belief my work complied with BS 7671 when in my professional opinion it should, I'd walk away.
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