UK Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ?

[Brian Taylor]

How can you say your work is safe if you don't even know the up-to-date regs?
e.g. Do you install your cables so that premature collapse in an event of a fire is not an issue?
From your posts I can only assume you don't.

edit: I'm with the opinions above that this is all just a wind up.

I'm guessing you are referring to the metal clips to support the cabling with plastic trunking?

 

[Julie.]

Secondly define if you would please a competent electrician...

Competency is outlined in the wiring regulations.

Competent electrician may be defined in several ways having minor differences, but essentially if you read the entry qualifications to be a member of the Competent persons scheme for the type of electrical work you do, that is typical of the standard used throughout the industry.

Essentially
Level 3 in installation (your C&G will do).
(Including testing)
Current regulations.
Current building regulations where applicable.
Demonstrate to an inspector that your work meets the current standards.

Etc.

Many councils also define this for acceptance of notifiable work from non-scheme members and for inspection work, for example:


submitted in connection with:
• Housing licensing applications under Parts 2 & 3 of ‘The Housing Act 2004’ (Mandatory
HMO, Additional HMO and Selective licensing)
or in compliance with;
• Regulation 3 (1) of ‘The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented sector (England)
Regulations 2020’ (SI 312:2020)
and
• Regulation 7 (3) of ‘The Licensing and Management of Houses in Multiple Occupation
(Additional Provisions) (England) Regulations 2007’ (SI 1903:2007) – as applicable to
‘Section 257 HMOs’,
has / have been produced by a person both qualified and specifically competent to undertake
inspection and testing of fixed electrical installations.
In line with current government guidance, the Local Housing Authority (LHA) may do this by:
1. checking if the inspector is a member of a relevant competent person scheme, via the
‘Registered Competent Person Electrical’ website:

Home

and / or
2. “requiring the inspector to sign a checklist certifying their competence, including their
experience, whether they have adequate insurance and hold a qualification covering
the current version of the wiring regulations and in the periodic inspection, testing and
certification of electrical installations”.

 

[Julie.]

I'm guessing you are referring to the metal clips to support the cabling with plastic trunking?

But it covers much more than that, you said your work is safe, so it must be compliant with the regulations.

If you do think your work is acceptable, just do a search on-line for 18th edition test questions.

You should find places where you can take a simulated exam on line for free, you should be able to skip through in 10-15mins (although you would be more careful and take your time in the real exam).

Now, I don't think you would pass as you by your own admission don't have the latest regs, but even without the latest you should be achieving 60%+

Perhaps that will give you a perspective on where you are/need to be.

We just have your posts and words to judge, so that isn't a real representation on your actual level.

 

[Brian Taylor]

I'm guessing you are referring to the metal clips to support the cabling with plastic trunking?

@Brian Taylor are you winding us up because quite frankly unless you have been on another planet I find it difficult to believe you are unaware of Part P and its requirements.

Well maybe not in your side of the job but please have some sense of

Competency is outlined in tha wiring regulations.

Competent electrician may be defined in several ways having minor differences, but essentially if you read the entry qualifications to be a member of the Competent persons scheme for the type of electrical work you do, that is typical of the standard used throughout the industry.

Essentially
Level 3 in installation (your C&G will do).
(Including testing)
Current regulations.
Current building regulations where applicable.
Demonstrate to an inspector that your work meets the current standards.

Etc.

Many councils also define this for acceptance of notifiable work from non-scheme members and for inspection work, for example:


submitted in connection with:
• Housing licensing applications under Parts 2 & 3 of ‘The Housing Act 2004’ (Mandatory
HMO, Additional HMO and Selective licensing)
or in compliance with;
• Regulation 3 (1) of ‘The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented sector (England)
Regulations 2020’ (SI 312:2020)
and
• Regulation 7 (3) of ‘The Licensing and Management of Houses in Multiple Occupation
(Additional Provisions) (England) Regulations 2007’ (SI 1903:2007) – as applicable to
‘Section 257 HMOs’,
has / have been produced by a person both qualified and specifically competent to undertake
inspection and testing of fixed electrical installations.
In line with current government guidance, the Local Housing Authority (LHA) may do this by:
1. checking if the inspector is a member of a relevant competent person scheme, via the
‘Registered Competent Person Electrical’ website:

Home

and / or
2. “requiring the inspector to sign a checklist certifying their competence, including their
experience, whether they have adequate insurance and hold a qualification covering
the current version of the wiring regulations and in the periodic inspection, testing and
certification of electrical installations”.

Wow you must really like bookwork , but from what you have listed I guess I quality as a Competent person, as I do as you correctly state have a C&G certificate and testing certificate, I do have access to a brown regs book, I have just been informed that one of my co workers has a copy of the building regulations that I can borrow and I'm reasonably confident that I can prove competecy. As for the rest I have no idea or interest in it..I'm far to old to be dragged into the petty buerocacy of local authorities.

 

[Julie.]

Well maybe not in your side of the job but please have some sense of

Wow you must really like bookwork , but from what you have listed I guess I quality as a Competent person, as I do as you correctly state have a C&G certificate and testing certificate, I do have access to a brown regs book, I have just been informed that one of my co workers has a copy of the building regulations that I can borrow and I'm reasonably confident that I can prove competecy. As for the rest I have no idea or interest in it..I'm far to old to be dragged into the petty buerocacy of local authorities.

I really suggest that you check yourself against an on-line 18th test.

Having access to a book doesn't prove competence

 

[Brian Taylor]

But it covers much more than that, you said your work is safe, so it must be compliant with the regulations.

If you do think your work is acceptable, just do a search on-line for 18th edition test questions.

You should find places where you can take a simulated exam on line for free, you should be able to skip through in 10-15mins (although you would be more careful and take your time in the real exam).

Now, I don't think you would pass as you by your own admission don't have the latest regs, but even without the latest you should be achieving 60%+

Perhaps that will give you a perspective on where you are/need to be.

We just have your posts and words to judge, so that isn't a real representation on your actual level.

Ah had no idea such question existed...as a matter of interest....is it absolutely required to pay for one of these very expensive regulations update courses or can I simply read the book and do an on line multiple choice paper?

 

[DPG]

Are you going to hold off doing any more notifiable work?

 

[Julie.]

Ah had no idea such question existed...as a matter of interest....is it absolutely required to pay for one of these very expensive regulations update courses or can I simply read the book and do an on line multiple choice paper?

Yes you can do the exam on-line.

You can also just do the exam in a examination facility (usually cheaper) as if you do it at home, someone has to watch you by webcam to ensure you don't cheat.

 

[Brian Taylor]

Are you going to hold off doing any more notifiable work?

Well I guess I'll have to get around that one..
I have in the past got someone else to produce a certificate for me ..

 

[Julie.]

Yes you can do the exam on-line.

You can also just do the exam in a examination facility (usually cheaper) as if you do it at home, someone has to watch you by webcam to ensure you don't cheat.

18th Edition Online Course • Home or Centre Exam • Only £234.00

The online 18th Edition Course, updated to A2. With City & Guilds Final 2382-22 Exam. Exam Times Available Every Week. Best Price Only £234.

mjelectricaltraining.co.uk

Sorry I was misled on this one, I don't think they do exam only having re-read it.

Or

18th Edition Exam Only - City and Guilds 2382 - Lantei Learning

Candidates can choose to undertake a 18th Edition Exam Only (no training), in multiple choice format of 60 questions in 2 hours.

lanteilearning.co.uk

Are but two examples.

Before booking, do a free on-line test to see if just the test is suitable for you.

 

[Brian Taylor]

@Brian Taylor are you aware of the requirements for SPDs, AFDDs, type A rcd/rcbos.

Yes aware of themand what they are for

 

[Brian Taylor]

18th Edition Online Course • Home or Centre Exam • Only £234.00

The online 18th Edition Course, updated to A2. With City & Guilds Final 2382-22 Exam. Exam Times Available Every Week. Best Price Only £234.

mjelectricaltraining.co.uk

Sorry I was misled on this one, I don't think they do exam only having re-read it.

Or

18th Edition Exam Only - City and Guilds 2382 - Lantei Learning

Candidates can choose to undertake a 18th Edition Exam Only (no training), in multiple choice format of 60 questions in 2 hours.

lanteilearning.co.uk

Are but two examples.

Before booking, do a free on-line test to see if just the test is suitable for you.

Many thanks

 

[DPG]

Yes aware of themand what they are for

Only because someone on here mentioned them (AFDDs) and you asked what they were! And that was only a few weeks ago (October)

 

[Julie.]

Many thanks

You could also try this one

18th Edition Exam Only: Support and Advice

Use the guide to ensure that you're well prepared and understand all key elements of the 18th edition exam only process.

18th-edition.org.uk

They have a link to an on-line test

 

[Brian Taylor]

But it covers much more than that, you said your work is safe, so it must be compliant with the regulations.

If you do think your work is acceptable, just do a search on-line for 18th edition test questions.

You should find places where you can take a simulated exam on line for free, you should be able to skip through in 10-15mins (although you would be more careful and take your time in the real exam).

Now, I don't think you would pass as you by your own admission don't have the latest regs, but even without the latest you should be achieving 60%+

Perhaps that will give you a perspective on where you are/need to be.

We just have your posts and words to judge, so that isn't a real representation on your actual level.

Hi Julie, further to our conversation of yesterday I did find an online test for the 18th edition update...as I understand it you are required to pass just 35 question out of the 60 in the test to pass....I gave it ago ...I think I would of passed....so I guess that an online exam is the best way forward. Many thanks for your help..most helpful....its a shame that some of the others on this site haven't displayed the same humility and helpfulness.

 

[Julie.]

Hi Julie, further to our conversation of yesterday I did find an online test for the 18th edition update...as I understand it you are required to pass just 35 question out of the 60 in the test to pass....I gave it ago ...I think I would of passed....so I guess that an online exam is the best way forward. Many thanks for your help..most helpful....its a shame that some of the others on this site haven't displayed the same humility and helpfulness.

If you do the on-line mock test, it will actually tell you if you would have passed, you can also view your answers to see which you got right and wrong (plus the correct answers).

It's on the third link I posted is it 18thexam or something.

 

[Brian Taylor]

Ah the

If you do the on-line mock test, it will actually tell you if you would have passed, you can also view your answers to see which you got right and wrong (plus the correct answers).

It's on the third link I posted is it 18thexam or something.

one I did required you to pay to give you the results....but did offer access to 1000 questions for about £20 pounds.

 

[Julie.]

Ah the

one I did required you to pay to give you the results....but did offer access to 1000 questions for about £20 pounds.

The link above gives a full on line free test with results, not done it myself but...

18th Edition Mock Test - 18th Edition

You have 120 minutes (2 hours) to answer 60 18th Edition Questions. You must score at least 36 to pass. You may check answers after each question or wait until the end of the test to view your results. Click the start button to begin. Best of luck!

18th-edition.org.uk

 

[Julie.]

The link above gives a full on line free test with results, not done it myself but...

18th Edition Mock Test - 18th Edition

You have 120 minutes (2 hours) to answer 60 18th Edition Questions. You must score at least 36 to pass. You may check answers after each question or wait until the end of the test to view your results. Click the start button to begin. Best of luck!

18th-edition.org.uk

OK, just done it, it's a fair to easy representation, I just skipped through it, no book to hand as I just took it out of curiosity.

You should get a result such as this:

You can then go through each question and check your answer vs the correct one.

 

[Brian Taylor]

OK, just done it, it's a fair to easy representation, I just skipped through it, no book to hand as I just took it out of curiosity.

You should get a result such as this:View attachment 103757

You can then go through each question and check your answer vs the correct one.

Will try that tonight when I get home ...thanks for the information.