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[Darkwood]

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.



I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. mg_smile:

 

[Mike Johnson]

I’m waiting for a low sun to hit that glass ball thing and burn the wooden door.

Looking at the standard of the construction and as already said a builders house, the door will be PVC/Composite so will melt rather than burn.

 

[Intoelectrics]

Whoever set out those tiles needs to be shot, above the window is near exact three tiles high and there are different cuts on either side, easiest thing in the world to make the niche the same height, Oh and the socket and pendant light.

Agreed, the lower bay tile rows don't even align with the reveals or walls. The floor is clearly uneven so instead of just adjusting the skirting tile cuts they have adjusted the first row of the tapered edged tiles also in places so its a lash up to say the least. Obviously the builder has done all the works himself to save a few bob and as usual, as you often find with many builders the finer details are very rough!

 

[Intoelectrics]

Whoever set out those tiles needs to be shot, above the window is near exact three tiles high and there are different cuts on either side, easiest thing in the world to make the niche the same height, Oh and the socket and pendant light.

I agree setting out this correctly would have made all the difference to the finish. To be fair though looking at the picture the walls, ceiling and floor look very uneven so it may not have been possible to work in the 3 full tiles as you suggested. This though is no excuse for the lack of thought, poor design and very bad workmanship!!

What's the betting that the metal socket face plate is not bonded back

 

[Aaron b]

I started fitting some Knightsbridge spots earlier but this it how it looks when the cover goes on...
I expected better from them and can't see how they can sell them in Europe.

 

[James]

if the single core cable has a layer of insulation on it underneath the heat resistant sleeve, then presumably it is a double insulated cable?

 

[Aaron b]

if the single core cable has a layer of insulation on it underneath the heat resistant sleeve, then presumably it is a double insulated cable?

It's more the brown and blue on show. Unless I used double insulated singles I don't know how it could be made compliant.

 

[James]

sorry, i misunderstood, i presumed that there was a cover to clip over them that was not in the picture.

Quite Simpley it doesn't comply with the reg's in my opinion and because of that you should not install them.

 

[James]

Remember, If the place burns down or someone is injured, It is the installer (YOU) that they come after.
Financially you will probably be ok as your insurance company will probably settle the bill if you can show that the installation was done to approved standards of the time.

Hmmm, even back to the 16th edition, i remember that single insulated cables had to be enclosed to protect from accidental damage, so you might be on a sticky wicket there.
insurance may decline payment due to the fact you have been negligent.

however, you have followed the manufacturers instructions ( I presume you have read them and followed them)
so you could pass on the liability to the manufacturer if they have sold you something unsuitable for the environment that it is designed to be installed in.

NOT a position I would like to be in.

bottom line is just use a better designed light fitting, if you think it looks unsafe, don't wire it up!!!

 

[freddo]

I don't think I've seen connectors like that on downlights since LED came about!

 

[Baddegg]

Are you there’s no more parts in the box? ….as above mate I wouldn’t use em

 

[mainline]

I started fitting some Knightsbridge spots earlier but this it how it looks when the cover goes on...
I expected better from them and can't see how they can sell them in Europe.

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Does this go into any sort of enclosure ?

 

[nicebutdim]

Does this go into any sort of enclosure ?

My guess is the ceiling void.

 

[freddo]

Does this go into any sort of enclosure ?

Tape is an enclosure right?

 

[timhoward]

I won't fit those ones. I looked into this a little once. The instruction manual for a Knightsbridge RDB1 refers to BS7671 and includes the step "replace terminal cover". Quite simply, there isn't one! It looks as though it is designed to have one but all you get is this:

They shouldn't be allowed to be sold in the UK IMHO.

 

[Aaron b]

I had the client replace them with some KSR ones that I normally install. I've been caught a few times with bad light fittings but I thought these were going to be better being a brand I knew of.

 

[mainline]

Tape is an enclosure right?

Tape is very diy mate Tupperware is the way to go.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

 

[DPG]

I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

Delroy would be proud

 

[mainline]

I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

I can imagine in a few years time pics of them being uploaded on here, probably by Del Edit: I see DPG had the same thoughts.

 

[mainline]

Delroy would be proud

Only if he used normal tape as Del hasn't heard of dat self amangomatin stuff.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Believe me I had uncle Del in my head saying 'no way , no was a qualified electrician done that'

But the fittings were made in such a way that the lid had a gap in it around 17/18mm where the cores were on show, just like in the picture above

Short of dismantling the whole things and somehow making my own connection enclosures, tape was the next best I could do as the job was over running and I really didn't want to go back

 

[Dustydazzler]

But how to you then re-attach the metal strap ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

Cut the strap off and twist a new piece of Yellow Green onto the existing, job done.

 

[James]

I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

Honestly, why did you not just say NO, I am not fitting them?

 

[westward10]

Believe me I had uncle Del in my head saying 'no way , no was a qualified electrician done that'

But the fittings were made in such a way that the lid had a gap in it around 17/18mm where the cores were on show, just like in the picture above

Short of dismantling the whole things and somehow making my own connection enclosures, tape was the next best I could do as the job was over running and I really didn't want to go back

What did insulation tape achieve, nothing. If you had any integrity you would not have done this let alone admit to it.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Honestly, why did you not just say NO, I am not fitting them?

In hindsight I probably should have refused to fit them / told them to get another electrician if they wanted them fitted but it was one of them jobs ( friend of the family ) where I just wanted to get the job finished and move on

 

[westward10]

In hindsight I probably should have refused to fit them but it was one of them jobs ( friend of the family ) where I just wanted to get the job finished and move on

What difference does that make, none.

 

[Dustydazzler]

The tape covers the gap in the supplied connection point where the cores are visible , once taped up you can not see the cores unless you unwind all the tape

 

[Dustydazzler]

I'm sure one day a photo of one of the lights will end up on here and will be described as a proper DIY job for which I will neither confirm or deny if it was one of my lights

 

[westward10]

The tape covers the gap in the supplied connection point where the cores are visible , once taped up you can not see the cores unless you unwind all the tape

If you think insulation tape provides mechanical protection for conductor insulation which is what the cable sheath is for then maybe you spend too much time on YouTube. Saying you cannot see the cores is a somewhat bizarre comment.