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[Dave OCD]

Absolutely, no need for it at all.

 

[Cadgey123]

If it's being boxed in, and that's your reasoning for not needing to provide strain relief, then presumably it will be inaccessible and therefore should be MF?
But if it is accessible then it surely needs better strain relief than nail clips into plasterboard?

She has carried out a repair which is miles better than how it started. Marked up and tested the system.

Let's not get overly picky cause there is minus a few p clips and firmer fixings!!

 

[davesparks]

I'd be interested to see you type a decent reply to somebody one day but hey the world's not perfect eh.

How about any of the replies I have typed today? The ones with multiple like such etc, or do they not count?

 

[davesparks]

She has carried out a repair which is miles better than how it started. Marked up and tested the system.

Let's not get overly picky cause there is minus a few p clips and firmer fixings!!

There's people on this thread complaining about a few bits of insulation left in a loft next to a joint box, yet I am being overly picky for pointing out things which do not comply with the regulations?

 

[Paul228]

Really Dave.
Do you seriously think a missing strain relief would end up in court.
Or are we just being pedantic.
Either way, theres enough photographic evidence to show its been left in a safe state.

On a lighter note,
its sunny and bbq time.

 

[Zdb]

Came across this last week. Some moron had double fed a light fitting so that when the klik plug was unplugged, the pins were LIVE!

 

[Cadgey123]

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Came across this last week. Some moron had double fed a light fitting so that when the klik plug was unplugged, the pins were LIVE!

My question is.. How did you take that picture?
Skills right there.....

 

[Paul228]

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Came across this last week. Some moron had double fed a light fitting so that when the klik plug was unplugged, the pins were LIVE!

im guessing it's a take away.

 

[Dave OCD]

There's people on this thread complaining about a few bits of insulation left in a loft next to a joint box, yet I am being overly picky for pointing out things which do not comply with the regulations?

Yes that would be me, but no point in quoting things out of context Dave, that wasn't a complaint but more of an observation, a little example of a lack of being thorough which I tend to see quite often,nothing more. Do you leave discarded insulation in loft spaces , maybe you do because nothing in BS7671 forbids it ? I'm just saying that there's a lot more to being a really good electrician than merely complying with the regs, and the way you interact with people and treat them can go a long way.

 

[davesparks]

Yes that would be me, but no point in quoting things out of context Dave, that wasn't a complaint but more of an observation, a little example of a lack of being thorough which I tend to see quite often,nothing more. Do you leave discarded insulation in loft spaces , maybe you do because nothing in BS7671 forbids it ? I'm just saying that there's a lot more to being a really good electrician than merely complying with the regs, and the way you interact with people and treat them can go a long way.

I've accidentally left all sorts of things in lofts and similar voids, but no I don't intentionally leave rubbish laying around.

Yes there is more to the job than complying with regulations, but there certainly is not less than complying with the regulations.

 

[davesparks]

Really Dave.
Do you seriously think a missing strain relief would end up in court.
Or are we just being pedantic.
Either way, theres enough photographic evidence to show its been left in a safe state.

On a lighter note,
its sunny and bbq time.

I didn't say that a missing strain relief would end up in court, though I have witnessed an incident where inadequate strain relief led to a potentially lethal situation when the socket came off of a 125A TP extension lead.

I believe what I said was that i'd like to see how well the attitude of 'I left it in a safer state than when I arrived' would stand up in court if that 'safer state' was not compliant with current regulations.

 

[Paul228]

i see.
i think it would stand up very well..but lets agree to differ on this as we end up debating something not worth falling out over.

 

[davesparks]

i see.
i think it would stand up very well..but lets agree to differ on this as we end up debating something not worth falling out over.

I don't think it would, when you say to the judge 'I left it safer than when I found it but not safe enough to prevent the accident your honour' I don't think it'll go very well.

 

[DPG]

I don't think it would, when you say to the judge 'I left it safer than when I found it but not safe enough to prevent the accident your honour' I don't think it'll go very well.

Ever heard of the phrase 'a dog with a bone ' ?

 

[Paul228]

and why would you say "

'I left it safer than when I found it but not safe enough to prevent the accident your honour

.
Anyone would half a brain would say.
i found it in a dangerous state and made it much safer, here are some pictures to support my statement.
im guessing you have never been in an english court.
A judge would look very favourable if you can demonstrate you made things infinatly safer than you found it. ie connected the earths.

 

[davesparks]

and why would you say "
.
Anyone would half a brain would say.
i found it in a dangerous state and made it much safer, here are some pictures to support my statement.
im guessing you have never been in an english court.
A judge would look very favourable if you can demonstrate you made things infinatly safer than you found it. ie connected the earths.

And if an accident has occurred as a result of you not having complied with the regulations then I seriously hope that the judge would not look favourably on you. If you've gone 95% of the way towards complying then why not go a little further and fully comply?

 

[Paul228]

if i had the time, or the inclination, id look for a few tests cases in law which would set precidence and support either of our points.

But just thinking allowed, most standard junction boxes rely on the cables held in place with cable clips....they certainly dont have cable clamps within them...

 

[Deleted member 9648]

if i had the time, or the inclination, id look for a few tests cases in law which would set precidence and support either of our points.

But just thinking allowed, most standard junction boxes rely on the cables held in place with cable clips....they certainly dont have cable clamps within them...

While I'm having nowt to do with the current 'discussion' a standard JB is designed for fixed cables, not flex.

 

[SparkyChick]

So in this situation I'm in a customer property, customer isn't there and I can't go anywhere to get spares etc.

What would you have me do to fully comply? How would you get over the issue of there being no cable clamps?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

So in this situation I'm in a customer property, customer isn't there and I can't go anywhere to get spares etc.

What would you have me do to fully comply? How would you get over the issue of there being no cable clamps?

If this is a reply to my above post I was making a point on Paul228's comment about standard JB's. As far as I'm concerned the lack of cable clamps on your box is a very minor issue, there are hundreds of heating connection boxes like that everywhere working without problems. I wasn't having a go at you.