Electrical engineering

[aces4al]

Hi, I'm currently finishing my level 3 electrical installation and going straight into the hnc electrical engineering. I was wondering if anyone has done the hnc and could possibly give me a heads up on the course, thanks for any info.

 

[Charlie_]

You should consider doing the ONC first

 

[Pete999]

Think you need to do a 1 year bridging course before you even attempt the ONC

 

[aces4al]

The college don't run the onc but I have saw what i will be doing when I had an interview for the course it's not much different in the maths side of things, just wondered if anyone had did the hnc and knew anything more about it

 

[atm84]

ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.

 

[TJ Anderson]

ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.

Yeah, you will be an engineer then, worst case, if it all goes pete tong over here, just get on a plane to China

 

[Ste69]

Hi, I'm currently finishing my level 3 electrical installation and going straight into the hnc electrical engineering. I was wondering if anyone has done the hnc and could possibly give me a heads up on the course, thanks for any info.

You wont need to do the ONC mate, i have done both the ONC and 2357 tech cert....they are the same level. Maybe need a maths bridge course, though if you are good at maths then you should be fine.

 

[Guest77]

ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.

Bollox

 

[Charlie_]

Bollox

This was also my initial thought but was trying to think of a more diplomatic answer..

 

[Ste69]

ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.

Two different things mate........the ONC is all class room based and the NVQ 3 is all work based...a better comparison would be the ONC and 2330, 2357 knowledge units etc.

 

[jon4381]

An Ordinary National Certificate(ONC) is a further educationqualification in the United Kingdom, awarded by BTEC. It is at Level 3, equivalent to A Levels.

 

[Guest77]

An Ordinary National Certificate(ONC) is a further educationqualification in the United Kingdom, awarded by BTEC. It is at Level 3, equivalent to A Levels.

And? look at post 10, that is the argument, one is work based one is class room based, so how is a ONC and a NVQ level 3 similar?

 

[atm84]

I said not too different difficulty wise. I didn't say they were the same course. OP get your self a degree then you will be streets ahead of everyone and won't have time to argue between an NVQ and ONC. Didn't think they still did the ONC in electrical engineering anymore anyway.

 

[jon4381]

MDJ, this is what I found on Google. I think it means class based level 3 (2330 or 2356).

 

[ImpededLoop]

Hi, I'm currently finishing my level 3 electrical installation and going straight into the hnc electrical engineering. I was wondering if anyone has done the hnc and could possibly give me a heads up on the course, thanks for any info.

If you're maths is up to scratch you should be ok to go onto the HNC. The best thing to do is to talk to the course leader at the college and ask if they're confident that you can do the HNC.

 

[PEG]

ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.

...NOT necessarily the way it pans out... :icon12:

 

[Knobhead]

ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.

There’s other ways of getting in to that office. Knowing what you’re talking about helps.

 

[Engineer54]

The college don't run the onc but I have saw what i will be doing when I had an interview for the course it's not much different in the maths side of things, just wondered if anyone had did the hnc and knew anything more about it

If you are under the illusion that the HNC Math is not much different from what you have been doing, you're in for a very rude awakening and very quickly!!

 

[ackbarthestar]

OND Electrical and Electronics BTEC maths was roughly equivalent to the old C course maths. (which might be the same as what is now the 2396). However, the educational authorities may have watered it down to get bums on seats and then give you the necessary crash course to get those weak areas up to the appropriate level.
The HND maths level is a little higher than both of these.

 

[Engineer54]

Can't talk for today's situations ackbarthester, but in my time HND level maths was nigh on Degree level, with the HND being equivalent as a foundation qualification course for an Engineering degree (typically used by adult students as a route to gaining a degree etc. Eg, equivalent and taken as the first year of a 3 Year Degree.

HNC maths was infinitely higher than any C&G course of the time.

 

[aces4al]

What the tutor showed me is what I have been doing in my level 3 and seemed surprised I knew it already ie power equations, impedance, voltage drop and generators and the like. Hnc isn't far off a degree but is the equivalent to a level 4. The tutor was more bothered if I had done any testing, but thanks anyway guys just wondered if anyone had done it and knew more about it

 

[Engineer54]

What the tutor showed me is what I have been doing in my level 3 and seemed surprised I knew it already ie power equations, impedance, voltage drop and generators and the like. Hnc isn't far off a degree but is the equivalent to a level 4. The tutor was more bothered if I had done any testing, but thanks anyway guys just wondered if anyone had done it and knew more about it

There is a very fundamental difference between C&G courses/qualifications to the National Certificates/Diplomas. The C&G are based around the needs of tradesmen while the Nationals are based around Engineering practices. There is nothing that i remember, with HNC having anything to do with inspection and testing, other than in the normal course of things....

HNC is not a foundation course for a degree, although the level of maths is, or was at a far higher level than that any C&G course math of the day... Don't make the mistake of considering G&G and Nationals as being run along the same lines, they are most definitely ''Not''!!

Lot's of things changed in 1999 when standards across the board fell and the Engineering Council took account of that, with higher entry levels being required to be registered with them, as did many Engineering institutes...

 

[ackbarthestar]

Before you wander off
This link might give you an idea of the depth of an HNC Electronics course. The AC, DC , Electromagnetism, Capacitors, resistors plus other bits and pieces are common to both electrical and electronics. Its not degree level and there is very little maths in it.
I won't post any maths links otherwise you might disappear for ever

Basic Electronics Tutorials Sitemap Page

Good luck

 

[shanky887614]

There’s other ways of getting in to that office. Knowing what you’re talking about helps.

also being terrible on the tools

 

[shanky887614]

An Ordinary National Certificate(ONC) is a further educationqualification in the United Kingdom, awarded by BTEC. It is at Level 3, equivalent to A Levels.

i was doing A levels before i started 2330.

me and another lad were working all calcs out roughly in our heads, i struggled to work it out quick but he was doing A level maths lol.

i don't mind maths but i still havent bothered memorizing my times tables, i can work it out quite quickly but why bother when we have calcs nowadays

i think ill look at onc etc eventually

 

[Bobster]

i was doing A levels before i started 2330.

me and another lad were working all calcs out roughly in our heads, i struggled to work it out quick but he was doing A level maths lol.

i don't mind maths but i still havent bothered memorizing my times tables, i can work it out quite quickly but why bother when we have calcs nowadays

i think ill look at onc etc eventually

Get past HNC level maths and they wont help a great deal. As far as I know there aren't calculators that can deal with complex numbers and transforms well.

 

[shanky887614]

Get past HNC level maths and they wont help a great deal. As far as I know there aren't calculators that can deal with complex numbers and transforms well.

spreadsheet on your phone is more use to be honest, it saves writing notes on long equation's etc.

besides if you set it up right you can change any values on the fly to see the right values, a bit like the excellent spreadsheet from tony

 

[Bobster]

Matlab is far better than excel for that.

I don't think excel will accept complex numbers. Or if it can I don't know how. (never looked into it)

 

[Engineer54]

Its not degree level and there is very little maths in it.

Well all i can say, if that's the case, things have changed beyond my recognition of what an HNC qualification entailed. Perhaps it may help if a recent HNC graduate can give us the SP on their experience!!

Oh and ONC and BTEC are two completely different qualifications, they may be classed as equivalent, but they are not (or weren't) awarded by the same authority....

 

[Lenny]

What the tutor showed me is what I have been doing in my level 3 and seemed surprised I knew it already ie power equations, impedance, voltage drop and generators and the like. Hnc isn't far off a degree but is the equivalent to a level 4. The tutor was more bothered if I had done any testing, but thanks anyway guys just wondered if anyone had done it and knew more about it

What HNC are you doing??

That sounds more akin to a building services one than electrical engineering. Also bare in mind your tutor will make all the right noises to get you to sign on the dotted line!

When I did my HNC/D, the maths module was mind blowing! Granted, I didn't do a levels and had been out of college for a few years but it was still much more than I expected.

What is your background??