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ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.
Hi, I'm currently finishing my level 3 electrical installation and going straight into the hnc electrical engineering. I was wondering if anyone has done the hnc and could possibly give me a heads up on the course, thanks for any info.
BolloxONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.
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ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.
And? look at post 10, that is the argument, one is work based one is class room based, so how is a ONC and a NVQ level 3 similar?An Ordinary National Certificate(ONC) is a further educationqualification in the United Kingdom, awarded by BTEC. It is at Level 3, equivalent to A Levels.
If you're maths is up to scratch you should be ok to go onto the HNC. The best thing to do is to talk to the course leader at the college and ask if they're confident that you can do the HNC.Hi, I'm currently finishing my level 3 electrical installation and going straight into the hnc electrical engineering. I was wondering if anyone has done the hnc and could possibly give me a heads up on the course, thanks for any info.
ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.
ONC is not too different difficulty wise to the NVQ level 3. Crack on with the hnc then the HND and finally get the degree. You will soon be sat in a nice office giving orders to the boys on the tools.
The college don't run the onc but I have saw what i will be doing when I had an interview for the course it's not much different in the maths side of things, just wondered if anyone had did the hnc and knew anything more about it
What the tutor showed me is what I have been doing in my level 3 and seemed surprised I knew it already ie power equations, impedance, voltage drop and generators and the like. Hnc isn't far off a degree but is the equivalent to a level 4. The tutor was more bothered if I had done any testing, but thanks anyway guys just wondered if anyone had done it and knew more about it
also being terrible on the toolsThere’s other ways of getting in to that office. Knowing what you’re talking about helps.
i was doing A levels before i started 2330.An Ordinary National Certificate(ONC) is a further educationqualification in the United Kingdom, awarded by BTEC. It is at Level 3, equivalent to A Levels.
i was doing A levels before i started 2330.
me and another lad were working all calcs out roughly in our heads, i struggled to work it out quick but he was doing A level maths lol.
i don't mind maths but i still havent bothered memorizing my times tables, i can work it out quite quickly but why bother when we have calcs nowadays
i think ill look at onc etc eventually
spreadsheet on your phone is more use to be honest, it saves writing notes on long equation's etc.Get past HNC level maths and they wont help a great deal. As far as I know there aren't calculators that can deal with complex numbers and transforms well.
Its not degree level and there is very little maths in it.
What the tutor showed me is what I have been doing in my level 3 and seemed surprised I knew it already ie power equations, impedance, voltage drop and generators and the like. Hnc isn't far off a degree but is the equivalent to a level 4. The tutor was more bothered if I had done any testing, but thanks anyway guys just wondered if anyone had done it and knew more about it
HND is a level 5 rating.
The only difference now from when I did it is a % (I think around 30%) of the qualification is open book coursework rather than 100% closed book exams.
I thought that the regs exam was an open book exam as it's basically an assessment of how you navigate your way around BS7671?
agree,but it has to be a open book exam lol!!It's still rated as a level 3 C&G qualification, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!
agree,but it has to be a open book exam lol!!
Different exam mate[emoji6]No, not necessarily. When I did my ONC Electrical Installation module, it was closed book and I had to write about 4 pages on Farmyards and petrol stations, with regulations to support what knew. But then that wasn't C&G.....
Really meaning HNC, not the D. 30% Open book coursework on HND, what's the bloody point anymore!! lol!!
So what is a Degree rated at these days then, it was i think also rated at level 5....
EDIT... Just checked in England and Wales/NI a Bsc carries a level 6 rating. Lots of confusion between different organisations as to HNC and HND, some giving a HNC a level 5 rating while with most it's a level 4... All give a level 5 for HND.
My apprentice at work completed his HNC Elec Eng last year, and I gave him some help on the maths. It seemed about A level standard in the particular areas covered, but without the same breadth of topics covered in A level.
It was nowhere near the level I went to on my Elec Eng degree, in 1990. Maybe things have changed, and the level of maths on a degree course has fallen??
Here's a taster of degree level Maths...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=iN7G2Bisvw5uSv2Qpf6RaQ&bvm=bv.85970519,d.d2s
And they're only 2nd Order!
Slighter more advanced than C&G level 4, whatever those levels are supposed to represent! :smilielol5:
At the end of the day if you're willing to put in the work you'll get through it. After the first two weeks of the HNC i done two years ago i felt completely out of my depth and was ready to stop. A fair bit of hard work and total commitment got me through it so i can only recommend more of the same.I've never said it would as I already said I know it's harder, I just said some of it is similar to what I have already done. I looked at that post and yes I have done some and others I have not
Get past HNC level maths and they wont help a great deal. As far as I know there aren't calculators that can deal with complex numbers and transforms well.
Matlab is far better than excel for that.
I don't think excel will accept complex numbers. Or if it can I don't know how. (never looked into it)
In terms of complex numbers my calculator is my best friend. Any modern scientific calculator can deal with the polar rectangular conversion and vice verse in seconds.There are calculators that can deal with complex numbers ... transforms, would that be Fourier transforms? If so, I am not so sure on that one!
If you know the theory and have the time and the knowledge, MS Excel could be used for calculations with complex numbers ... but you are correct, Matlab or Mathcad would be much better applications. I know for certain that Mathcad works on natural mathematical notation. I used to be frustrated at work as a design 'stressman' that the control law expert was allowed to use Mathcad but we mere stress analysts were only allowed pencil and paper, 'tippex' a photocopier and a copy of ROARK'S Formulas for Stress and Strain on the desk! MS Excel, was the 'work of the devil' because it hides the natural language of the mathematics in an almost impenetrable code dependent on how a spreadsheet is laid out and how the user chooses to implement their solution. Quality control is all but impossible! It was a nightmare every time the designer changed his mind on materials! Out would come the stress calc and tippex, blot out the bits requiring change, photocopy the original and fill in the numbers through the entire calculation all over again!
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