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YoungScud
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Your thread? Interesting way of looking at it, but I suppose it explains a lot.
Your thread? Interesting way of looking at it, but I suppose it explains a lot.
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Octopus
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Well ..... I did start it and it's a poll for the up coming EU referendum. That's all really.
Feel free to start your own thread!
Well ..... I did start it and it's a poll for the up coming EU referendum. That's all really.
Feel free to start your own thread!
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Murdoch started it so it his thread, everyone else has just contributed to it in some way or another.
As for the eu it is not the same as when joined it has become a power that only has to answer to its self. The people in power are not elected and part of a political has been society
You know the sort of people running it x opposition leaders, X Prime Minister's and MPs that filed to get elected to Houses of Parliament but then went on to become Mep and are getting paid a nice bit of money to do a job that is not a job but costs us lots in the taxes we pay, let's think about it when did we start paying V.A.T
Murdoch started it so it his thread, everyone else has just contributed to it in some way or another.
As for the eu it is not the same as when joined it has become a power that only has to answer to its self. The people in power are not elected and part of a political has been society
You know the sort of people running it x opposition leaders, X Prime Minister's and MPs that filed to get elected to Houses of Parliament but then went on to become Mep and are getting paid a nice bit of money to do a job that is not a job but costs us lots in the taxes we pay, let's think about it when did we start paying V.A.T
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Octopus
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Back on track.
very interesting that there are no undecided votes as yet!
Back on track.
very interesting that there are no undecided votes as yet!
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Darkwood
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It would be totally your choice if I end up on your Ignore list although TBH I'm not sure if its possible with a Mod' as we normally post warnings and tidy threads up etc :stooge_curly: (hmmm Ill have to ask the question now its been mentioned)
I listed 3 issues with the EU and how its run in that post alone, these are not in themselves little issues but big ones and very concerning IMHO, if you think that its OK for the Brussels Elite to bully Member countries until they get the correct vote or government in power by using threats of various forms or whether you think its right that we give 17billion to them and when we ask for them to show the accounts they refuse and can't explain missing billions... yet they keep coming back asking for more, when they couldn't legitimately give us reason to pay more based on the GDP figures (how they calculate our contribution) they changed the laws governing what GDP covers so now it takes into account prostitution and drug dealing which the government get zero tax back on yet we now have to pay the EU for this YES... you wouldn't believe this if it weren't actually true, now we have to pay the EU part of our contributions based on an imaginary figure that takes drug dealers and prostitution into account... I'm shocked tbh that child trafficing wasn't included
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I respect anybody's view to either leave or stay but as always tends to be the case, the majority voting will actually have little knowledge of the reality of what exactly is our relation with the EU and they will only be making a decision of the back of the media around the time of the referendum which is scary considering this could make a massive difference to the UK.
It would be totally your choice if I end up on your Ignore list although TBH I'm not sure if its possible with a Mod' as we normally post warnings and tidy threads up etc :stooge_curly: (hmmm Ill have to ask the question now its been mentioned)
I listed 3 issues with the EU and how its run in that post alone, these are not in themselves little issues but big ones and very concerning IMHO, if you think that its OK for the Brussels Elite to bully Member countries until they get the correct vote or government in power by using threats of various forms or whether you think its right that we give 17billion to them and when we ask for them to show the accounts they refuse and can't explain missing billions... yet they keep coming back asking for more, when they couldn't legitimately give us reason to pay more based on the GDP figures (how they calculate our contribution) they changed the laws governing what GDP covers so now it takes into account prostitution and drug dealing which the government get zero tax back on yet we now have to pay the EU for this YES... you wouldn't believe this if it weren't actually true, now we have to pay the EU part of our contributions based on an imaginary figure that takes drug dealers and prostitution into account... I'm shocked tbh that child trafficing wasn't included
mg_smile:I respect anybody's view to either leave or stay but as always tends to be the case, the majority voting will actually have little knowledge of the reality of what exactly is our relation with the EU and they will only be making a decision of the back of the media around the time of the referendum which is scary considering this could make a massive difference to the UK.
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I agree with that, which is why I think the the out vote will win.
I agree with that, which is why I think the the out vote will win.
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Oh is that it ? - you said that immigration was the least of our worries, all you've come up with is bad accounting practices, that's hardly the root of all evil. You call it bullying, Id call it ensuring members adhere to the rules, if you don't like the rules there's the door - you'll not see many heading for the exit. We are just feigning our concern, we won't leave - if we left it would overnight kill off many businesses. I've had business dealing throughout the EU and much further affield for longer than I'd care to remember and can remember how much faff it was to sell into the EU - these days it's seamless. Leave the EU and you'll send us back into recession, not that we are completely out of the previous one yet.
Oddly, that flexible approach to accounting, which now requires us to include such black market trades as drugs deals and ladies of the night within our GDP helped the head towel folder show a growing economy (up a massive 0.2%) that and the OAPs now being able to buy sports cars with pensions.
You missed my point about re my ignore list, I'm sure someone else won't
Oh is that it ? - you said that immigration was the least of our worries, all you've come up with is bad accounting practices, that's hardly the root of all evil. You call it bullying, Id call it ensuring members adhere to the rules, if you don't like the rules there's the door - you'll not see many heading for the exit. We are just feigning our concern, we won't leave - if we left it would overnight kill off many businesses. I've had business dealing throughout the EU and much further affield for longer than I'd care to remember and can remember how much faff it was to sell into the EU - these days it's seamless. Leave the EU and you'll send us back into recession, not that we are completely out of the previous one yet.
Oddly, that flexible approach to accounting, which now requires us to include such black market trades as drugs deals and ladies of the night within our GDP helped the head towel folder show a growing economy (up a massive 0.2%) that and the OAPs now being able to buy sports cars with pensions.
You missed my point about re my ignore list, I'm sure someone else won't
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YoungScud
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That's just not true. First of all, Ireland never voted to leave the EU, it voted to reject the Lisbon Treaty. The Irsish governmet went to the EU with its concerns, renegotiated terms and the Irispeople then accepted them. That's not bullying, not by any means.
That's just not true. First of all, Ireland never voted to leave the EU, it voted to reject the Lisbon Treaty. The Irsish governmet went to the EU with its concerns, renegotiated terms and the Irispeople then accepted them. That's not bullying, not by any means.
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Who are they aliens from outer space?
Who are they aliens from outer space?
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Darkwood
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Your correct, I meant to put Euro not EU, had the vote been recognised as Ireland on its own then it would have seen them in a forced exit from the Euro, because Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum on the new treaty when they voted No it put the whole Lisbon Treaty on hold and the only way it could come into play was Ireland to leave the EU or for another referendum, Ireland were not offered anything really just comforting words, the treaty wasn't changed but a massive EU driven Yes campaign was devised on how things had been changed and revised when in fact nothing had, I think they were given a position in the new central powerhouse which equates to nothing if you voice is never heard. I call been given the option to leave or accept a bullying tactic and what exactly is the Lisbon treaty, it centralises the EU power house and takes control of alot of its members affairs so it can imply rules and laws without any obstacles that had previously proved to be a big problem for turning the EU into a state, we were promised a referendum ourselves but they changed the name and Gorden Brown robbed us of our vote which was against EU legislation although who are they to point this out at the risk of the Lisbon Treaty been scrapped.
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Sorry hit wrong button, just think about what EU started out as it was supposed to be a free market between all European countries but what happened they change their name like a powerful they decided that they were in charge I decided that we would have one coin coin to buy have goats they decided that they could override our own government with decisions that they make they decided that it was okay from my five-year-old son who is six on Saturday this is the comment like to makepoo on the loo
Sorry hit wrong button, just think about what EU started out as it was supposed to be a free market between all European countries but what happened they change their name like a powerful they decided that they were in charge I decided that we would have one coin coin to buy have goats they decided that they could override our own government with decisions that they make they decided that it was okay from my five-year-old son who is six on Saturday this is the comment like to makepoo on the loo
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The people wanting us to stay in will be protected from the bad points that will inevitably come with it. They will not have to live next door or mingle with all those who will come to our shores. Germany is now flooded with rapists, sex pests and the worst is probably yet to come.
Do you want the same?
The people wanting us to stay in will be protected from the bad points that will inevitably come with it. They will not have to live next door or mingle with all those who will come to our shores. Germany is now flooded with rapists, sex pests and the worst is probably yet to come.
Do you want the same?
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A very well thought out insightful argument for leaving the EU.
You've just about won me over with that post.
Well done.
A very well thought out insightful argument for leaving the EU.
You've just about won me over with that post.
Well done.
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newtothis
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[FONT=&]Don't forget, the reason dopey Dave was forced to offer us this choice; was to stop half his gasping, self-serving mob defecting to UKIP
before the last election.
That's just my opinion.
it could be true though. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]We will be subjected to all the scare tactics, and propaganda under the sun. To stay in this failing, corrupt union.
I have faith that the Great British public will 'see through it', and vote NO[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Don't forget, the reason dopey Dave was forced to offer us this choice; was to stop half his gasping, self-serving mob defecting to UKIP
before the last election.
That's just my opinion.
it could be true though. [/FONT][FONT=&]We will be subjected to all the scare tactics, and propaganda under the sun. To stay in this failing, corrupt union.
I have faith that the Great British public will 'see through it', and vote NO[/FONT]
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Darkwood
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I don't think its going to be such a smooth run for the brexit crew, the BBC is supplimented by the EU so is the CBI and they advise UK business now with the BBC doing a lot of the coverage lets see just how balanced it really is, so far It has already been biased to showing more news on the In campaign and thats before its even started once an agreement is supposedly done, watch out for who exactly you see promoting the stay in campaign and you can bet a lot of what you see will have vested interest in keeping us in as they are receiving 'lets call them perks' from the Brussels corrupt power house.... its strange how the EU chooses to suppliment groups and business that could influence the public mind.
We pay them to pay companies to tell us they are nice and its good to be part of a failing non democratic, power hungry union, it just a good job not all our media is getting EU suppliments, what is worse and scary is the fact the EU sent out pamphlets discussing putting positive EU discussions in the classroom and having it as part of the national curriculum but as this isn't a balanced open lesson it is what I would class as Brain Washing the next generation, the scary part is that it has already found its way into the classroom even today.
Yes its clear I'm against been part of the EU and I don't deny that but I'm hoping that some on the fence will see a documentary that is been made about the truth of the EU which doesn't just talk the talk but shows the evidence of why the EU is failing and the news stories that are not getting to our shores for fear of it influencing our position.
I don't think its going to be such a smooth run for the brexit crew, the BBC is supplimented by the EU so is the CBI and they advise UK business now with the BBC doing a lot of the coverage lets see just how balanced it really is, so far It has already been biased to showing more news on the In campaign and thats before its even started once an agreement is supposedly done, watch out for who exactly you see promoting the stay in campaign and you can bet a lot of what you see will have vested interest in keeping us in as they are receiving 'lets call them perks' from the Brussels corrupt power house.... its strange how the EU chooses to suppliment groups and business that could influence the public mind.
We pay them to pay companies to tell us they are nice and its good to be part of a failing non democratic, power hungry union, it just a good job not all our media is getting EU suppliments, what is worse and scary is the fact the EU sent out pamphlets discussing putting positive EU discussions in the classroom and having it as part of the national curriculum but as this isn't a balanced open lesson it is what I would class as Brain Washing the next generation, the scary part is that it has already found its way into the classroom even today.
Yes its clear I'm against been part of the EU and I don't deny that but I'm hoping that some on the fence will see a documentary that is been made about the truth of the EU which doesn't just talk the talk but shows the evidence of why the EU is failing and the news stories that are not getting to our shores for fear of it influencing our position.
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Octopus
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Hum..... the BBC being balanced - hardly. They don't know what that means these days.
A go back a decade or more, the BBC reported the news as facts, now they report what they want us to think. The BBC is nothing more than a tabloid TV channel
Hum..... the BBC being balanced - hardly. They don't know what that means these days.
A go back a decade or more, the BBC reported the news as facts, now they report what they want us to think. The BBC is nothing more than a tabloid TV channel
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How is the BBC and CBI 'supplemented' by the EU?
I think you'll find the BBC coverage balanced, it certainly has been up to now.
Any chance of a link to this documentary you mention, I like to see all views.
I think you'll find that to have any pro political viewpoint in the national curriculum is illegal,
In all truth the only biased reporting I see in the media is with some newspapers. That's the Mail, Express, Sun and the Telegraph. The Express is rabid, not seen it today but I'd bet blind that there will be anti EU scare stories if not on the front page then in the next few.
How is the BBC and CBI 'supplemented' by the EU?
I think you'll find the BBC coverage balanced, it certainly has been up to now.
Any chance of a link to this documentary you mention, I like to see all views.
I think you'll find that to have any pro political viewpoint in the national curriculum is illegal,
In all truth the only biased reporting I see in the media is with some newspapers. That's the Mail, Express, Sun and the Telegraph. The Express is rabid, not seen it today but I'd bet blind that there will be anti EU scare stories if not on the front page then in the next few.
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Octopus
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The BBC receive funding from the EU
are you serious?
The BBC receive funding from the EU
are you serious?
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Darkwood
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The millions in EU funding the BBC tried to hide | Coffee House
Now tell me they are playing with a balanced deck
The millions in EU funding the BBC tried to hide | Coffee House
Now tell me they are playing with a balanced deck
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I'm serious, Darkwood said that the bbc was supplemented by the EU
It gets grants for research, I think about 1/2 a million last year. Compared with the 3 1/2 billion or so that it gets from the license fee I would hardly call that supplementing the license fee.
They can't use the money for program making and do you really think that journalists would lower themselves to biased reporting because the BBC gets a grant from a certain source. It's not the Telegraph we're talking about.
I'm serious, Darkwood said that the bbc was supplemented by the EU
It gets grants for research, I think about 1/2 a million last year. Compared with the 3 1/2 billion or so that it gets from the license fee I would hardly call that supplementing the license fee.
They can't use the money for program making and do you really think that journalists would lower themselves to biased reporting because the BBC gets a grant from a certain source. It's not the Telegraph we're talking about.
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I wouldn't dream of saying that, I've already mentioned the biased media in post 98.
The millions in EU funding the BBC tried to hide | Coffee House
Now tell me they are playing with a balanced deck
I wouldn't dream of saying that, I've already mentioned the biased media in post 98.
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Darkwood
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I agree with the sums you quote but why did the BBC deliberatly hide it and not reveal it as they had a obligation to do so, when this originally came out they had some very difficult questions to answer, the 3million plus is nothing to what the tv licensee puts in and its always been argued that this is very suspicious indeed, it was eventually claimed to be for research and developement with 1million on programming but what research and what programming... that's when they went silent, this all stinks like a backhander that got exposed and to keep the lie up they had to keep it going... strange it happened after the Labour lost who the EU want to be back in the driving seat for many reasons - But hey that's just me speculating.
I agree with the sums you quote but why did the BBC deliberatly hide it and not reveal it as they had a obligation to do so, when this originally came out they had some very difficult questions to answer, the 3million plus is nothing to what the tv licensee puts in and its always been argued that this is very suspicious indeed, it was eventually claimed to be for research and developement with 1million on programming but what research and what programming... that's when they went silent, this all stinks like a backhander that got exposed and to keep the lie up they had to keep it going... strange it happened after the Labour lost who the EU want to be back in the driving seat for many reasons - But hey that's just me speculating.
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YoungScud
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Yes. A nice piece of unbiased reporting from the Spectator. Small point of order; the use of the word 'secret'. Turns out it's not quite the secret they claim. They didn't need a FOI request to get this info. Even the Torygraph didn't come over quite as rabid. "The EU transparency register, where the payments are listed, states: “Grants are non-programme related projects undertaken by BBC R&D.”. So, no secret there then.
As for the whiny tone, it's not so long ago that we Scots were accused of being whingers and bad losers for pointing out BBC bias during the referendum campaign. Not the same thing?
The millions in EU funding the BBC tried to hide | Coffee House
Now tell me they are playing with a balanced deck
Yes. A nice piece of unbiased reporting from the Spectator. Small point of order; the use of the word 'secret'. Turns out it's not quite the secret they claim. They didn't need a FOI request to get this info. Even the Torygraph didn't come over quite as rabid. "The EU transparency register, where the payments are listed, states: “Grants are non-programme related projects undertaken by BBC R&D.”. So, no secret there then.
As for the whiny tone, it's not so long ago that we Scots were accused of being whingers and bad losers for pointing out BBC bias during the referendum campaign. Not the same thing?
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Thatcher needs to be added to your list
Thatcher needs to be added to your list
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Octopus
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At least Thatcher had bxlls.
More than the current "crop" of politicians, of ALL colours.
At least Thatcher had bxlls.
More than the current "crop" of politicians, of ALL colours.
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Yes, she had the #alls to destroy the county's ability to make stuff, she destroyed social housing, she decimated community's and entire industry's for political reasons, there's an endless list of her achievements.
Vote eunuch
Yes, she had the #alls to destroy the county's ability to make stuff, she destroyed social housing, she decimated community's and entire industry's for political reasons, there's an endless list of her achievements.
Vote eunuch
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Darkwood
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The BBC answer to...., sorry are supposed to answer to the licence payer and they are obligated to disclose any payments made to them other than from the licence payer, it is not for the licence payer to start digging through the EU Transparency Register to find these payments, as the BBC did formarly apologise and as an investigation was done into it, this in itself shows they didn't follow protocol.
To add to this the BBC's charity arm 'BBC media action' also received over 9million from the EU and this WAS for delivering key parts of the EU's political strategy in the countries that are on the fringe of the EU, IE ...Us, at the time this was brought up in parliment as it placed the BBC in a position that it couldn't be seen as impartial and especially as this was on the run up to the elections.
In answer the BBC said the charity side is totally independent and has no influence on the BBC itself.... its a strange statement to make when the board of trustee's is chaired by Fran Unsworth, who is the director of the World Service Division and also deputy Director of Current Affairs (relating to the period 2011 - 2014)... the whole conflict of interest was openly discussed in parliment and following the Elections there was many claiming the BBC were actually biased and were guilty of pushing EU propaganda.
Even today I see the reports been biased to the EU with more featured commentary from members supporting the in campaign compared to coverage of those supporting the out, it was only the other day they show 3 people discussing staying in and why its good for over 5 mins then at the end they took a sound bite about a reason to leave with less than 20seconds.. Yes they show both sides but disproportionately and they are selective to who they choose to show.
The BBC answer to...., sorry are supposed to answer to the licence payer and they are obligated to disclose any payments made to them other than from the licence payer, it is not for the licence payer to start digging through the EU Transparency Register to find these payments, as the BBC did formarly apologise and as an investigation was done into it, this in itself shows they didn't follow protocol.
To add to this the BBC's charity arm 'BBC media action' also received over 9million from the EU and this WAS for delivering key parts of the EU's political strategy in the countries that are on the fringe of the EU, IE ...Us, at the time this was brought up in parliment as it placed the BBC in a position that it couldn't be seen as impartial and especially as this was on the run up to the elections.
In answer the BBC said the charity side is totally independent and has no influence on the BBC itself.... its a strange statement to make when the board of trustee's is chaired by Fran Unsworth, who is the director of the World Service Division and also deputy Director of Current Affairs (relating to the period 2011 - 2014)... the whole conflict of interest was openly discussed in parliment and following the Elections there was many claiming the BBC were actually biased and were guilty of pushing EU propaganda.
Even today I see the reports been biased to the EU with more featured commentary from members supporting the in campaign compared to coverage of those supporting the out, it was only the other day they show 3 people discussing staying in and why its good for over 5 mins then at the end they took a sound bite about a reason to leave with less than 20seconds.. Yes they show both sides but disproportionately and they are selective to who they choose to show.
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All politicians are just in it for the money it's simple get paid for doing nothing get a nice pension for 3 years service retired and have a nice pension, job done working live completed, fu?k the doctors and nurses doesn't matter they will work for next nothing as they are in a caring roll so they just do what They have to do work long hours and get paid no overtime and get ****ed on by the government
Simple it's got to be sorted grassroots not let the wan? Ers get you
All politicians are just in it for the money it's simple get paid for doing nothing get a nice pension for 3 years service retired and have a nice pension, job done working live completed, fu?k the doctors and nurses doesn't matter they will work for next nothing as they are in a caring roll so they just do what They have to do work long hours and get paid no overtime and get ****ed on by the government
Simple it's got to be sorted grassroots not let the wan? Ers get you
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Octopus
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A policy continued by Blair and Brown too, and the SNP until recently....
A policy continued by Blair and Brown too, and the SNP until recently....
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margaret thatcher introduced the right to buy policy. so a family bought their council house. 1 less house available for rent, but also 1 less family wanting to rent. ergo, no reduction in ther balance of rentals to tenants.
margaret thatcher introduced the right to buy policy. so a family bought their council house. 1 less house available for rent, but also 1 less family wanting to rent. ergo, no reduction in ther balance of rentals to tenants.
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So to follow that logic if everyone purchased their social housing there would be no need for any more social housing ?
No of course not .....
Now if the funds raised by the right to buy had been used (as was part of the original deal) to build replacement social housing we'd not have the chronic shortage we have today.
Right to buy was a bribe.
So to follow that logic if everyone purchased their social housing there would be no need for any more social housing ?
No of course not .....
Now if the funds raised by the right to buy had been used (as was part of the original deal) to build replacement social housing we'd not have the chronic shortage we have today.
Right to buy was a bribe.
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I agree, far to many folks breeding, irrespective of their ability to support their own offspring.
I agree, far to many folks breeding, irrespective of their ability to support their own offspring.
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Darkwood
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On that point I can only agree, glad there is a benefit cap on a third child after april 2017, that will stop the children for benefits culture.
On that point I can only agree, glad there is a benefit cap on a third child after april 2017, that will stop the children for benefits culture.
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Octopus
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I want to see Tax Credits calculations include all payments from the absent parent.....
I want to see Tax Credits calculations include all payments from the absent parent.....
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