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Do you want to remain in the EU

  • Yes - stay in

    Votes: 18 17.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • No - time to leave

    Votes: 81 78.6%

  • Total voters
    103
  • Poll closed .
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

The BBC receive funding from the EU

are you serious?

I'm serious, Darkwood said that the bbc was supplemented by the EU
It gets grants for research, I think about 1/2 a million last year. Compared with the 3 1/2 billion or so that it gets from the license fee I would hardly call that supplementing the license fee.
They can't use the money for program making and do you really think that journalists would lower themselves to biased reporting because the BBC gets a grant from a certain source. It's not the Telegraph we're talking about.
 
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I'm serious, Darkwood said that the bbc was supplemented by the EU
It gets grants for research, I think about 1/2 a million last year. Compared with the 3 1/2 billion or so that it gets from the license fee I would hardly call that supplementing the license fee.
They can't use the money for program making and do you really think that journalists would lower themselves to biased reporting because the BBC gets a grant from a certain source. It's not the Telegraph we're talking about.

I agree with the sums you quote but why did the BBC deliberatly hide it and not reveal it as they had a obligation to do so, when this originally came out they had some very difficult questions to answer, the 3million plus is nothing to what the tv licensee puts in and its always been argued that this is very suspicious indeed, it was eventually claimed to be for research and developement with 1million on programming but what research and what programming... that's when they went silent, this all stinks like a backhander that got exposed and to keep the lie up they had to keep it going... strange it happened after the Labour lost who the EU want to be back in the driving seat for many reasons - But hey that's just me speculating.
 
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Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

hmm.i think that we need to get the Sun into the equation. the Sun pushing for a No vote. after all, back in 1997, they supported the grinning money grabber blair and allowed him to destroy GB.
 
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pity we can't resurrect de gaulle, franco, mussoline , and hitler. that would put a spoke on the wheels .
 
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Yes. A nice piece of unbiased reporting from the Spectator. Small point of order; the use of the word 'secret'. Turns out it's not quite the secret they claim. They didn't need a FOI request to get this info. Even the Torygraph didn't come over quite as rabid. "The EU transparency register, where the payments are listed, states: “Grants are non-programme related projects undertaken by BBC R&D.”. So, no secret there then.

As for the whiny tone, it's not so long ago that we Scots were accused of being whingers and bad losers for pointing out BBC bias during the referendum campaign. Not the same thing?
 
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At least Thatcher had bxlls.

More than the current "crop" of politicians, of ALL colours.

Yes, she had the #alls to destroy the county's ability to make stuff, she destroyed social housing, she decimated community's and entire industry's for political reasons, there's an endless list of her achievements.


Vote eunuch
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Yes. A nice piece of unbiased reporting from the Spectator. Small point of order; the use of the word 'secret'. Turns out it's not quite the secret they claim. They didn't need a FOI request to get this info. Even the Torygraph didn't come over quite as rabid. "The EU transparency register, where the payments are listed, states: “Grants are non-programme related projects undertaken by BBC R&D.”. So, no secret there then.

As for the whiny tone, it's not so long ago that we Scots were accused of being whingers and bad losers for pointing out BBC bias during the referendum campaign. Not the same thing?


The BBC answer to...., sorry are supposed to answer to the licence payer and they are obligated to disclose any payments made to them other than from the licence payer, it is not for the licence payer to start digging through the EU Transparency Register to find these payments, as the BBC did formarly apologise and as an investigation was done into it, this in itself shows they didn't follow protocol.

To add to this the BBC's charity arm 'BBC media action' also received over 9million from the EU and this WAS for delivering key parts of the EU's political strategy in the countries that are on the fringe of the EU, IE ...Us, at the time this was brought up in parliment as it placed the BBC in a position that it couldn't be seen as impartial and especially as this was on the run up to the elections.

In answer the BBC said the charity side is totally independent and has no influence on the BBC itself.... its a strange statement to make when the board of trustee's is chaired by Fran Unsworth, who is the director of the World Service Division and also deputy Director of Current Affairs (relating to the period 2011 - 2014)... the whole conflict of interest was openly discussed in parliment and following the Elections there was many claiming the BBC were actually biased and were guilty of pushing EU propaganda.

Even today I see the reports been biased to the EU with more featured commentary from members supporting the in campaign compared to coverage of those supporting the out, it was only the other day they show 3 people discussing staying in and why its good for over 5 mins then at the end they took a sound bite about a reason to leave with less than 20seconds.. Yes they show both sides but disproportionately and they are selective to who they choose to show.
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

All politicians are just in it for the money it's simple get paid for doing nothing get a nice pension for 3 years service retired and have a nice pension, job done working live completed, fu?k the doctors and nurses doesn't matter they will work for next nothing as they are in a caring roll so they just do what They have to do work long hours and get paid no overtime and get ****ed on by the government
Simple it's got to be sorted grassroots not let the wan? Ers get you
 
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Yes, she had the #alls to destroy the county's ability to make stuff, she destroyed social housing, she decimated community's and entire industry's for political reasons, there's an endless list of her achievements.


Vote eunuch

A policy continued by Blair and Brown too, and the SNP until recently....
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

margaret thatcher introduced the right to buy policy. so a family bought their council house. 1 less house available for rent, but also 1 less family wanting to rent. ​ergo, no reduction in ther balance of rentals to tenants.
 
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margaret thatcher introduced the right to buy policy. so a family bought their council house. 1 less house available for rent, but also 1 less family wanting to rent. ​ergo, no reduction in ther balance of rentals to tenants.

So to follow that logic if everyone purchased their social housing there would be no need for any more social housing ?


No of course not .....


Now if the funds raised by the right to buy had been used (as was part of the original deal) to build replacement social housing we'd not have the chronic shortage we have today.


Right to buy was a bribe.
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

it's not a shortage of housing that's the problem; it's too many people
 
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On that point I can only agree, glad there is a benefit cap on a third child after april 2017, that will stop the children for benefits culture. :)
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

muslims won't like it. 3 kids is 7 short .
 
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I want to see Tax Credits calculations include all payments from the absent parent.....
 
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:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:Impeccable logic!!! :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

It's probably a better way to look at it though. The UK, particularly the SE is hugely over populated. House building hasn't happened at the rate it's been needed for 30-40 years, but the population has rocketed a lot more than anybody could have predicted.
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

It's probably a better way to look at it though. The UK, particularly the SE is hugely over populated. House building hasn't happened at the rate it's been needed for 30-40 years, but the population has rocketed a lot more than anybody could have predicted.

Hum.....no.

The population explosion started around 2003 and has continued since :

United Kingdom Population | 1960-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

Its 2016 now and little has been done by this and the 2 previous Governments .....

The cost of living crisis is DIRECTLY related to the increase in housing costs - strip out housing and most of our costs haven't changed.
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Definately vote to leave, the place is a mess. We can make our own laws, look after our own island a bit like how we used to.
This whole europe thing seems like a huge waste of time and money.
I'm sticking my neck on the line but i reckon huge change is just round the corner.
 
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Don't ask me what the answer is, I'm a house basher not a politician, but somehow, soon, something has got to be done about the outrageous housing situation. I feel so desperately sorry for the younger generation, they must despair when they look around and see so many older, comfortably off people, when they are facing such a hard time of trying to get on the ladder. Thanks to the whankers in RBS and the likes, they now face impossible deposits, either that or they are at the mercy of unscrupulous landlords who do not give a ---- about anything other than the maximum profit. It is about time the rental sector was regulated and people stopped from buying houses purely to rent out. How's this for a disgusting facet of capitalism, today I became aware that about 3 young couples turned up at a house viewing for a small terraced house, a very rare thing round my way. After waiting 30 mins with no agent arriving one of them phoned up to be told "oh sorry we have had a lot of interest and have had to cancel the viewings" No phone call, no nowt. Turns out some 62 year old retired bloke with too much disposable income has paid £10K over the odds so he can rent it out. It's disgusting and should be stopped. Margaret Thatcher is largely responsible for the lack of social housing by selling off all the council house stock, along with all the other general ****ing up of the country that happened on her watch. Oh and just for the record I am definitely in the OUT camp.
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

If Cameron wins concessions - the UK will be "paying" for it for decades.

OUT, OUT, OUT

Leave this undemocratic farce behind.
 
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No doubt we will hear the speech soon, about how well he has negotiated on our behalf.
bloody plonker couldn't negotiate his way out of no'10 without help.
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Tesco today said my click and collect was ready, I arrived and it wasn't , I left empty handed, I blame Maggie.

On a job today my SDS battery would not hold a charge, I blame Maggie

My poor ----- (cat) had to have a tooth out and I was landed with a £400 bill, I blame Maggie

Friggin left rear tyre went flat today, I blame Maggie.

She has a lot to answer for ... RIP..... SC off
 
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If Cameron wins concessions - the UK will be "paying" for it for decades.

OUT, OUT, OUT

Leave this undemocratic farce behind.

Leave it for the what, the democracy we have here? At least the EU Parliament uses a system of PR, which allows smaller parties to be heard, whereas the Uk uses FPTP, which doesn't. A party with a little over a third of the votes holds an absolute majority, while the second placed party, with fewer than 7 percentage points less, has almost 100 fewer seats. Now, my question is, how do you describe one system as 'undemocratic' while blithely accepting the other?
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Leave it for the what, the democracy we have here? At least the EU Parliament uses a system of PR, which allows smaller parties to be heard, whereas the Uk uses FPTP, which doesn't. A party with a little over a third of the votes holds an absolute majority, while the second placed party, with fewer than 7 percentage points less, has almost 100 fewer seats. Now, my question is, how do you describe one system as 'undemocratic' while blithely accepting the other?

AND when you compare that to the way the Scottish votes were cast and how many seats were won ....... the SNP used to favour PR but not now. I wonder why?
 
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AND when you compare that to the way the Scottish votes were cast and how many seats were won ....... the SNP used to favour PR but not now. I wonder why?


What do you base that claim on? The SNP very much favour PR. I'm not quite sure how you expected them to fight a General Election other than by the prevailing system. I fear you're just making stories up now, so here's a challenge. Find me a single example of an SNP official championing FPTP and I'll agree with you. Here's me not holding my breath.
 
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Child Benefit


Child Benefit (otroški dodatek) is paid to help parents provide for the maintenance and education/training of a child. The condition is that income per family member is below 99% of the average national wage in Slovenia. Additionally, registered residence of the child in Slovenia is required.(YES PLEASE !)
YET !!!! If a family is entitled to benefits under the legislation of more than one country, they will, in principle, receive the highest amount of benefits provided for under the legislation of one of these countries. In other words, the family is treated as if all persons concerned resided and were insured in the state with the most favourable legislation.

Good luck Mr Cameron !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
 
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Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I Respect the views of others, just saying I'm voting OUT. My opinion will not change. I don't expect, or want to change anyones opinion.
I'm only interested in electrical topics, sometimes I can't help posting on political issues I feel strongly about.
I almost wish we didn't have an off topic section on the forum, but we do, and for me it's a distraction at best, and at worst a chance to allienate people I need to help me.
Love and peace y'all !
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Well Cameron has got his deal but as they say the devil is in the detail

Will we now hear what horse trading has been done to get his "special" deal that needs a referendum asap and not in 2017, I'm very suspicious of what appears as a cut and run and what is being hidden and also the fact that the EU parliament apparently could kill the deal
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Well Cameron has got his deal but as they say the devil is in the detail

Will we now hear what horse trading has been done to get his "special" deal that needs a referendum asap and not in 2017, I'm very suspicious of what appears as a cut and run and what is being hidden and also the fact that the EU parliament apparently could kill the deal

AND what Cameron has verbally conceded to the French "off the record"

No doubt the French will propose something very contentious in the near future and the UK will jump to agree with them.... nothing is agreed in the UK without significant horse trading.

Every 18 days we send a further billion to the EU - so 54 days would cover the NHS deficit. YES just 54 days of EU contributions would plug the £3 billion NHS funding gap. Makes you think.
 
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How`s about this for the ultimate twist. It transpires that leaked papers after the referendum reveal that Cameron really wanted us out. He has had us all fooled with his master plan. Just thinking outside the box.
 
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Phew, just read the entire thread from the start, very interesting. I'm voting to get out, slightly worried about the whole referendum being corrupt though. :thinking: But I'm not sure if the most important aspect of all this has already been mentioned in the 10 pages of posts so far- can we revert back to our sensible wiring colours ? :biggrin:
 
Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

The EU vote WILL BE A FARCE.

The EU muppets have stated that they will only formally discuss and agree the UK "concessions" AFTER the 23rd June and ONLY if we vote to stay.

WHO do they think we are? a class full of 3 year olds?
 
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The EU vote WILL BE A FARCE.

The EU muppets have stated that they will only formally discuss and agree the UK "concessions" AFTER the 23rd June and ONLY if we vote to stay.

WHO do they think we are? a class full of 3 year olds?

smacks of blackmail there. they're so afraid to lose our billions, they'll pull any stunt to influence a "stay in" vote.
 
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I await the billions we will lose etc etc and the rest of the crap the spin doctors will give us (like they did to keep Scotland in the UK) Folk will listen and change there vote to stay.
Lets get out is my advice but the Odds are against it.
 
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I await the billions we will lose etc etc and the rest of the crap the spin doctors will give us (like they did to keep Scotland in the UK) Folk will listen and change there vote to stay.
Lets get out is my advice but the Odds are against it.
Not now we have Boris on board!!
 
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Boris like to portray himself as a "tim nice but dim". don't be fooled. he's no fool. i look forward to him becoming the next PM with us out of the EU.
 
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Boris like to portray himself as a "tim nice but dim". don't be fooled. he's no fool. i look forward to him becoming the next PM with us out of the EU.

If he was a fool i think he would have been ridiculed as one in the press by now
 
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Boris like to portray himself as a "tim nice but dim". don't be fooled. he's no fool. i look forward to him becoming the next PM with us out of the EU.
I'm not convinced about the PM bit but I am totally convinced we should get out of the EU. I am fed up of people doing the UK down and making comments that we wouldn't be able to succeed on our own and wouldn't be able to enjoy some of the benefits. How do they imagine we got on before we got involved in all this EU crap?? We didn't become the greatest country on the planet with the help of the EU did we?? And before some smart-arse says we are not, why does everyone want to come here?? And another thing, if you want to know what Europe really thinks of us, just look at the voting for the next Euro-vision song contest, or more like, the Euro lets not give the UK any votes even if they do and always have had the best musicians in the world" contest.
 
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