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I didn't exactly mean that people are putting the UK down, but there seems to be a theme amongst the "stay in" mob that we would struggle without Europe and would not be able to either compete or run our country properly or competitively. The point I was making was how do these people imagine we did it before we joined??
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This is supposed to be a serious political discussion about whether to leave the EU or not.
Your sarcasm is lowering the tone.
Anybody would think, us plebs don't have a donkeys ideas. Now where's me lucky flipping half crown.
Shut up.
This is supposed to be a serious political discussion about whether to leave the EU or not.
Your sarcasm is lowering the tone.
Anybody would think, us plebs don't have a donkeys ideas. Now where's me lucky flipping half crown.
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So do you not think that Angela Meerkat doesn't want to be the next leader of a federal Europe? It's obviously in their genes. Mind you cheeky cow was tucking into chips the other day.
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YoungScud
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YoungScud
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Now, where have I heard that before? Oh yes, on the run up to September 18th 2014.
Now, where have I heard that before? Oh yes, on the run up to September 18th 2014.
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What has Scotland's voting to remain part of the UK got to do with the UK voting to remain part of Europe, exactly??
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YoungScud
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You're accusing the stay voters of using the very tactics which were widely used by Bitter Together (or Project Fear,as they themselves named it) to persuade people to stay, when I can't find one example in this forum of anyone doing so.
You're accusing the stay voters of using the very tactics which were widely used by Bitter Together (or Project Fear,as they themselves named it) to persuade people to stay, when I can't find one example in this forum of anyone doing so.
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I wasn't commenting specifically on Forum voters, but there is a theme common to "stay in" campaigners generally, to try and play on some kind of fear factor, should we leave. This in my opinion, is totally without grounds and not supported by our standing in the world prior to joining. "we", do not need the EU, in order to flourish, quite the opposite, IMO.
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YoungScud
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And I think that once more you're making a statement without any real basis in fact. You've switched now, presumably you can't find any evidence here, to throwing it out as a wider accusation. It won't wash. Prior to joining the EU, our standing was waning, Empire was dead on its feet and manufacturing industries were disappearing rapidly. We were desparate to get in on what was shaping up to be a pretty decent market for us, and that's only improved. You need to base your argument on solid eveidence and define it by your views, not the antipathy of those you disagree with.
And I think that once more you're making a statement without any real basis in fact. You've switched now, presumably you can't find any evidence here, to throwing it out as a wider accusation. It won't wash. Prior to joining the EU, our standing was waning, Empire was dead on its feet and manufacturing industries were disappearing rapidly. We were desparate to get in on what was shaping up to be a pretty decent market for us, and that's only improved. You need to base your argument on solid eveidence and define it by your views, not the antipathy of those you disagree with.
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This pretty decent market, as you put it, is dead on its Arse. We have an opportunity to trade directly with the rest of the world, principally the emerging nations. The point I made regarding the fear factor is real, never does a day go by when there is not a news item on any media where some europhile is warning of the so called dangers of being "left out in the cold", well that won't wash, either. If you want to look at industries, how about the fishing one? If we stay in that will be the next to go. We never joined to have our laws made in Brussels are to be virtually ruled by them either.
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You'll have to find a better example than that ......
Pre EU "our" waters were massively over fished, there was massive over capacity, it was a complete free for all - every man and his dog could drag as much fish as it wanted out of the sea - the signs of stock depletion were clear for all to see..
Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct.
You'll have to find a better example than that ......
Pre EU "our" waters were massively over fished, there was massive over capacity, it was a complete free for all - every man and his dog could drag as much fish as it wanted out of the sea - the signs of stock depletion were clear for all to see..
Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct.
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We already can, we already do .... why would leaving the EU make that any easier ?
We already can, we already do .... why would leaving the EU make that any easier ?
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Yup - but in those days they were "our waters" and yes WE over fished them. Along comes the EU - we give up massive fishing areas AND the number of boats are reduced.
So get our waters back, kick out the foreigners, then replace them with "our" boats - to maintain the fishing levels to sensible ones then hey presto - loads of employment for had pressed coastal towns and villages around the UK
Yup - but in those days they were "our waters" and yes WE over fished them. Along comes the EU - we give up massive fishing areas AND the number of boats are reduced.
So get our waters back, kick out the foreigners, then replace them with "our" boats - to maintain the fishing levels to sensible ones then hey presto - loads of employment for had pressed coastal towns and villages around the UK
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This is EXACTLY my point. Do you think, that given the facts as you have accurately put them, that we would not have been able to sort this out ourselves? Now we have the exact opposite! Foreign boats raid our fishing grounds with impunity and the EU has either orchestrated it or just allows it. How many other "governments" (and I refer to the EU) would preside over the disgusting situation where tons and tons of good fish are thrown away? This is typical of their ineptitude. "Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct." REALLY???
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Is that the same quota policy that will soon see the total demise of not just the fishing fleets, but the coastal towns and villages that support them and yet another facet of our country down the drain? This is a fantastic example of how much the EU care about us.
Is that the same quota policy that will soon see the total demise of not just the fishing fleets, but the coastal towns and villages that support them and yet another facet of our country down the drain? This is a fantastic example of how much the EU care about us.
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I believe he is. what has that got to do with anything though?
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Well it's common knowledge that I'm in the remain camp, however this intelligent, thought provoking and balanced video by those nice Grassroots Out people have made me think again.
I defy any of you 'Inners' to watch and say you're not swayed by their arguments.
https://t.co/ZHW8JYhLwY
They've taken all out fish and money.
Well it's common knowledge that I'm in the remain camp, however this intelligent, thought provoking and balanced video by those nice Grassroots Out people have made me think again.
I defy any of you 'Inners' to watch and say you're not swayed by their arguments.
https://t.co/ZHW8JYhLwY
They've taken all out fish and money.
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The evidence suggests that if the status quo had been maintained then our ability to fish would have been decimated, by ourselfs - there would have been no fish left - stock had already been massively depleted.
Why didn't "we" do anything before the EU had to intervien ?
You give the impression that "foreign" boats are daily raiding the fish from our mouths, thats just more of your scaremongering nonsense. Sure there will be a few who fish without a quota, or in excess of their own, but the fines and the chances of getting caught are massive in relation to the gain.
Handling bycatch was a populist campaign staged for a TV show - if you knew even just a little about the industry you'd know how easy is was to mitigate and minimise the issue, you might also know how HFW is widely castigated for presenting a minor issue as a major problem.
You must be able to come up with a far more compelling reason to leave than this ?
The Empire is gone, we had to give it back as we stole it, those days are long gone - fortunately.
The evidence suggests that if the status quo had been maintained then our ability to fish would have been decimated, by ourselfs - there would have been no fish left - stock had already been massively depleted.
Why didn't "we" do anything before the EU had to intervien ?
You give the impression that "foreign" boats are daily raiding the fish from our mouths, thats just more of your scaremongering nonsense. Sure there will be a few who fish without a quota, or in excess of their own, but the fines and the chances of getting caught are massive in relation to the gain.
Handling bycatch was a populist campaign staged for a TV show - if you knew even just a little about the industry you'd know how easy is was to mitigate and minimise the issue, you might also know how HFW is widely castigated for presenting a minor issue as a major problem.
You must be able to come up with a far more compelling reason to leave than this ?
The Empire is gone, we had to give it back as we stole it, those days are long gone - fortunately.
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You appear to be under the impression that our fishing communities were some kind of Nirvana pre EU - they were complete and utter cess pits.
It was simply a race to empty the sea as quickly as possible.
You appear to be under the impression that our fishing communities were some kind of Nirvana pre EU - they were complete and utter cess pits.
It was simply a race to empty the sea as quickly as possible.
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His ability to debate is somewhat lacking, but to give him some credit he's rather inventive.
His ability to debate is somewhat lacking, but to give him some credit he's rather inventive.
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That's as indepth an argument as you'll likely ever get.
That's as indepth an argument as you'll likely ever get.
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Could you define "dead on its arse" please ?
The UK does rather a lot of EU trade, nearly 45% on average - how can that level of activity be deemed to be dead ?
Could you define "dead on its arse" please ?
The UK does rather a lot of EU trade, nearly 45% on average - how can that level of activity be deemed to be dead ?
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Youve forgotten to answer this question as well .....
How does our EU membership prevent or inhibit us from trading outside of the EU ?
Youve forgotten to answer this question as well .....
How does our EU membership prevent or inhibit us from trading outside of the EU ?
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While Cameron was touring Europe trying to cut in work benefits to European workers, Hollande was entertaining the Iranian president and singing a 23 billion euro deal with them. The Spanish also did a deal with them.
Someone should tell them that they're not allowed to.
While Cameron was touring Europe trying to cut in work benefits to European workers, Hollande was entertaining the Iranian president and singing a 23 billion euro deal with them. The Spanish also did a deal with them.
Someone should tell them that they're not allowed to.
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Following your disgraceful comments on our fishing communities I am going to cease this pointless argument. I believe most readers will form their own opinion of you given what you have just written. Maybe you should take yourself off down to Cadgwith or Newlyn and re-iterate it in a few pubs down there.
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When you've climbed off your high horse, read what I've typed - you'll find plenty that agree with the point I've made, especially those living in fishing industry areas.
The fishing industry didn't care for its surroundings, it just wanted to win the race to empty the sea - its taken decades to reverse the damage done back in those not so good old days.
So, other than the fishing point youve tried to make, what other compelling reasons are there to leave ?
When you've climbed off your high horse, read what I've typed - you'll find plenty that agree with the point I've made, especially those living in fishing industry areas.
The fishing industry didn't care for its surroundings, it just wanted to win the race to empty the sea - its taken decades to reverse the damage done back in those not so good old days.
So, other than the fishing point youve tried to make, what other compelling reasons are there to leave ?
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How does our EU membership prevent or inhibit us from trading outside of the EU ?
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Well yes Sean, that is my answer.
If you care to read it, it says that being in the EU does not prevent us from trading outside the EU as France and Spain demonstrated with their rapid response to the lifting of sanctions on Iran.
Well yes Sean, that is my answer.
If you care to read it, it says that being in the EU does not prevent us from trading outside the EU as France and Spain demonstrated with their rapid response to the lifting of sanctions on Iran.
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Octopus
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As I said I am not going to take part in this further, I will just refer you to a couple of things, namely the bar graph at the top of the page and Murdoch's signature, which I think sums things up pretty well in this case.
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I refer the honerable gentlemen to the answer i gave previously #182
I refer the honerable gentlemen to the answer i gave previously #182
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I'd rather be an idiot than an ostrich - ah yes, polls on here are always truely indicative of the entire population
How daft of me to ignore that "fact"
I'd rather be an idiot than an ostrich - ah yes, polls on here are always truely indicative of the entire population
How daft of me to ignore that "fact"
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It is easy for people to look at the EU through rose tinted glasses and miss the underlying picture.
Back in the 70's the UK was on it's backside the 3 day week, power cuts, wage restraint, hardly a week going by without another strike being called somewhere, the offer of joining a common market in 1975 looked like a good idea and most people believed that is what they were joining yet it's hard to find anyone who voted yes
Since then year on year the EU appears to justify it's existence by creating more and more red tape some of it bordering on crass stupidity did we really need "EC Commission Regulation No 2257/94" and no doubt there are many more similar regulations that are unworkable and / or create massive amounts of waste
If you look around the EU today Greece have been teetering on the edge of financial armageddon for a good while and there are a few other countries not far behind them should they fail, Shengen is causing all sorts of problems and disagreement with the rampaging migration from those crossing the Med to Greece all things considered it looks like a ticking bomb just waiting to go off
We keep on hearing the doom and gloom of how Brexit would affect the UK but how would Brexit affect the EU who would they stealth tax then that is assuming it survives to tax another day as the budgetary black hole would have to be filled by someone but there aren't that many paying in now
There are a lot of questions and unfortunately there are not many reliable and credible answers from either side
It is easy for people to look at the EU through rose tinted glasses and miss the underlying picture.
Back in the 70's the UK was on it's backside the 3 day week, power cuts, wage restraint, hardly a week going by without another strike being called somewhere, the offer of joining a common market in 1975 looked like a good idea and most people believed that is what they were joining yet it's hard to find anyone who voted yes
Since then year on year the EU appears to justify it's existence by creating more and more red tape some of it bordering on crass stupidity did we really need "EC Commission Regulation No 2257/94" and no doubt there are many more similar regulations that are unworkable and / or create massive amounts of waste
If you look around the EU today Greece have been teetering on the edge of financial armageddon for a good while and there are a few other countries not far behind them should they fail, Shengen is causing all sorts of problems and disagreement with the rampaging migration from those crossing the Med to Greece all things considered it looks like a ticking bomb just waiting to go off
We keep on hearing the doom and gloom of how Brexit would affect the UK but how would Brexit affect the EU who would they stealth tax then that is assuming it survives to tax another day as the budgetary black hole would have to be filled by someone but there aren't that many paying in now
There are a lot of questions and unfortunately there are not many reliable and credible answers from either side
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Couldn't watch it anymore after 30 seconds, hope it had a happy ending
Couldn't watch it anymore after 30 seconds, hope it had a happy ending
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Are you being serious??? do you have a lot of shares in a supermarket chain? god help us.
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