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I'm a little confused here;I've read this thread which was started by i=p/u , who i wholeheartedly respect on this forum, however what i can not fathom is this; are you doing a course on what i understand to be BS 7671 ? or are you doing the C&G 2391 ?
The reason i ask is, if you are doing 17th edition BS 7671, then this exam is open book, multiple question {(which means, an exam to show that you can read a book and find relevant answers to questions quickly in said book),The BRB soon to be The BGB}, where you should PASS with no less than 99% in your case. If however i read it at wrong, and you do indeed are doing the 2391, then pm me, as i have loads of help at your disposal.
Marnik
 
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1= reg 114.1
2= annex A the awnser lys but all i can say doesnt mention rechargable or not
3= part 2 defintions
4= starting and stoping reg 552.1.1
5= part definations noral service
6= luminaires marked D reg 422.3.2
7= cable cleat part 2 definations
8= reg 414.2
9= reg 432.1
10=
MarkieSparkie said:
1) BS7617 is a non-statutory document, but if it is adhered to, compliance with which statutory document is likely to be achieved?
2) When may non-rechargeable auxiliary batteries be used in caravans?
3) With a DC voltage of 125V between conductors how would the installation be classified?
4) What is the most likely cause of an overload current arising in an electric motor circuit?
5) Under what conditions is the design current of a circuit defined?
6) Name a type of lighting equipment likely to require additional protection against thermal effects?
7) A component of a support system consisting of regularly spaced elements which mechanically retain a cable is defined as?
8) Name 3 SELV sources that will provide combined basic and fault protection?
9) A protective device giving protection to both overload and short circuit must be capable of breaking current up to what level?
10) A 230V single-phase heating circuit has a design current of 25A. The length of the PVC insulated cable is 20m. The 4mm[SUP]2[/SUP] cable installed has a volt-drop of 11mV/A/m. The voltage drop under full load conditions is? And does this comply with BS7671?
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11x25x20/1000= 5.5v so complies but do i need todo anything for full load markie sparkie ... or anyone if you out there cheers markie sparkie you can mark now
 
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yes i signed up for 17th edition even tho im learning to 17th edition (level 3 at present) and i have never looked at bs 7671, its getting easier already ty.. as for 2391 i have the enrolment form infront of me, but my lady friend on about going back to work so now il have kids myself in evenings, hope they dont take her back, you hope too.lol oj. not,oj,not ahhhhh
Marnik said:
I'm a little confused here;I've read this thread which was started by i=p/u , who i wholeheartedly respect on this forum, however what i can not fathom is this; are you doing a course on what i understand to be BS 7671 ? or are you doing the C&G 2391 ?
The reason i ask is, if you are doing 17th edition BS 7671, then this exam is open book, multiple question {(which means, an exam to show that you can read a book and find relevant answers to questions quickly in said book),The BRB soon to be The BGB}, where you should PASS with no less than 99% in your case. If however i read it at wrong, and you do indeed are doing the 2391, then pm me, as i have loads of help at your disposal.
Marnik
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get tourself on the 2391 as soon as you've got the 2382 under your belt. as for your good lady going back to work, you can always employ a cook. (LOL. and no offence meant.)
 
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i=p/u said:
1= reg 114.1
Correct Reg, But which statutory document?
2= annex A the awnser lys but all i can say doesnt mention rechargable or not
Looking in the correct place, the answer is there in BRB.
3= part 2 defintions
Correct place, but what's the classification.
4= starting and stoping reg 552.1.1
Wrong.
5= part 2 definitions normal service
Correct.
6= luminaires marked D reg 422.3.2
Although not correct a good attempt, your thinking along the right lines, but I want a Reg associated with the specific thermal effects of luminaires, type of luminaire?
7= cable cleat part 2 definitions
Correct.
8= reg 414.2
Wrong Reg But close, Name 3 sources?
9= reg 432.1
Correct Reg, what current level?
10=
11x25x20/1000= 5.5v so complies
Correct.
but do i need todo anything for full load markie sparkie ... or anyone if you out there cheers markie sparkie you can mark now You already have the design current is the full load.
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If you can answer questions like this, where you are given no clues, then you find the multiple choice of the exam child's play, easy peasy stuff.
Well done for a first attempt, Answers in green are correct, answers in orange are partly correct or a good attempt, Answers in red are wrong. Have another go.
 
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1) BS7617 is a non-statutory document, but if it is adhered to, compliance with which statutory document is likely to be achieved?
2) When may non-rechargeable auxiliary batteries be used in caravans?
3) With a DC voltage of 125V between conductors how would the installation be classified?
4) What is the most likely cause of an overload current arising in an electric motor circuit?
5) Under what conditions is the design current of a circuit defined?
6) Name a type of lighting equipment likely to require additional protection against thermal effects?
7) A component of a support system consisting of regularly spaced elements which mechanically retain a cable is defined as?
8) Name 3 SELV sources that will provide combined basic and fault protection?
9) A protective device giving protection to both overload and short circuit must be capable of breaking current up to what level?
10) A 230V single-phase heating circuit has a design current of 25A. The length of the PVC insulated cable is 20m. The 4mm[SUP]2[/SUP] cable installed has a volt-drop of 11mV/A/m. The voltage drop under full load conditions is? And does this comply with BS7671?
 
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1= reg114.1 and electricity at work regulations 1989
2= reg A721.55.3.1 only when independant from other supplies..
3= part 2, low voltage
4= cant find sorry..
5= part 2, normal service
6= extra low voltage reg 559.11.4
7= cable cleat part 2 definitions
8= reg 414.3 (i) (ii) (iii)
9= reg 432.1 upto pfc level where device is installed
10=11x25x20/1000= 5.5v so complies
soory for late response markiesparkie... never ride the day i saddle or im away without any shoes on..;) cheers
 
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i=p/u said:
1= reg114.1 and electricity at work regulations 1989
Correct, also see Page 10 BRB Note from the HSE.
2= reg A721.55.3.1 only when independant from other supplies.
Correct.
3= part 2, low voltage
Correct.
4= cant find sorry.
Excessive mechanical load, Part 2, Definitions.
5= part 2, normal service
Correct.
6= extra low voltage reg 559.11.4
Wrong. Any luminaire radiant and/or convected heat source e.g. tungsten halogen security lamp. Reg 559.5.1
7= cable cleat part 2 definitions
Correct.
8= reg 414.3 (i) (ii) (iii)
Correct.
9= reg 432.1 upto pfc level where device is installed
Correct.
10=11x25x20/1000= 5.5v so complies
Correct.
soory for late response markiesparkie... never ride the day i saddle or im away without any shoes on..;) cheers
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Well done mate, I've added the answers to the two questions you struggled with to ease the agony.
 
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well guys, the time has finaly come, il head to work, the im off todo the 17th edition tonight.... aint revised as much as i wanted , work permitting and wife strangeling me over my love with sparks... but wiush me luck and thanks for those who was bored and contributed to my learning.

i think i shall give a special thanks to markie sparkie who i feel contributed the most and i want to thank my mom and god..... you get the pic peace!!
 
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With the work you’ve put in you should romp it, I’d be amazed if your not in the pub on your second pint waiting for the other examinees to emerge.

I got the results on the night, so when you’ve done sit back and enjoy that first pint and the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] / 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] / 4[SUP]th [/SUP]Etc.
You get the idea.
 
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well guys ,, all good passed, with 95% and i have to admit i felt i know most of the awnsers out of the four options..

cheers.. i have untill tomorrow to sign up for 2391.. 14 weeks... starting january... do any of you thinbk the new qual would be just as good???? as i do have to travel 30 miles to do course and that would be twice a week again and work and family, its all go..
 
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Well done on passing, have confidence and you can do anything.
You have put in the effort and you have succeeded, good on you.
Keep up the good work.

Regarding 2391 etc. For a few years employers will not understand 2394 / 2395 and still expect 2391, however this will change and I think it would be more useful long term to apply for the new courses so that your qualifications will remain current for longer (though possibly not very long!)
Get in as one of the first to do the new qualification.
The quality of the course: I do not know, it is likely to be of a similar level really, just different, and obviously there are more courses now to cover the same qualifications.
If you are confident in your testing and regs experience go for what you perceive as being best for your and your career.
All only my opinion, not fact.
 
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Well done.
Also to consider, next year there will be one course for PIR and one for EIC (new installations) so you could be paying twice? The 2391 only has a pass rate of 40% or something, and I think there will only be another 3 exams held for this course from what I've heard. Check with your college / training centre though :)
 
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