I can now do a junction "box" mf in 20 secs, switch loop and feed

[The Ghost]

So, although as you know, I am not a tool tart I have invested in this little time saver. As you can see from the piccy you have two splitters and two switch JB and stripper (up to 2.5mm² T&E) but the jb only take 1mm/1.5mm². This is a wise investment not just a tool for a week and then gets left somewhere. Remember a tool is for life not just christmas.

 

[SparkyChick]

So, although as you know, I am not a tool tart I have invested in this little time saver. As you can see from the piccy you have two splitters and two switch JB and stripper (up to 2.5mm² T&E) but the jb only take 1mm/1.5mm². This is a wise investment not just a tool for a week and then gets left somewhere. Remember a tool is for life not just christmas.View attachment 42452

I looked at those a while back. Would appreciate a review when you've had a chance to use them.

Edit:- Just to add, I like the look of them because of their small size. Useful for when a client wants a ceiling rose replacing with a fancy lamp. Currently use a Wagobox or a Click lighting connector, but they need a big hole to get them into the ceiling void. The QuickWire looks quite a bit smaller, making it an easier task.

 

[telectrix]

just watched their video. looks good. onlything is you can't use them for flex( e.g. with downlights).

 

[The Ghost]

A small word of caution; I have just used one, tried it out and once they are closed you can't open them without a tool and they do not include on in the "starter" set. The strippers are Jokari and they do spare blades for them. What I do like is you can put them through a much smaller opening than a wago. Wagos' begone haha. Nah I will still use them. But mf has got to be good.

 

[The Ghost]

with downlights

I reckon you can as most downlights come with a connector box for 6242y to feed the light off into flex on the output side.

 

[The Ghost]

Aha just cracked how to undo them once you have clicked them in. Pull out the coloured clips at both sides.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

given you say 20 seconds then i think a short video is in order demonstrating this technique so you can pass on skills to us youngsters!

 

[The Ghost]

Thats me doing a quick demo for you.

 

[loplug]

What’s the cost of them per joint ?

 

[The Ghost]

Notionally £4.00 but negotiable in numbers. But say if I do 10 lights the "old" way in the ceiling rose loop in loop out etc. say 10 mins per. 1 hour and 40 mins. Labour £58.00 say 2 mins per quickwire x 10 20 mins Labour £12. I think it may work cost wise if I buy in numbers. Marginal I agree but...mmm I am weighing it up at the moment. Just when I had mastered getting the rose to look perfect wiring wise!

 

[Andy78]

I got the starter set too, just for the tool as it was the cheapest I could find on the web.
The joints I really do not see any use for in my day to day work. I can't see a solution they provide that wiring forethought cannot.

You should get a clip that is used to release the device once engaged.

 

[The Ghost]

Well surely if used correctly I am thinking it will save a lot of cable and laying the cable? As you can truncate the whole ceiling rose wiring at the perimeter of a room and run one cable. Using the splitter you can wire up a number of lights in one room as well. It may also be of use in adding lights. I have a job coming up and rather than run a number of cables I can junction this at the point of origin and just run the load cables straight to the lights. Anyway early days will just have to see how it works in practice.

 

[Andy78]

I can see the benefits in some situations. I am saving my samples for when you get those crappy bathroom fittings that are unsuitable for looping into, so I can put existing wiring into that then bring one cable to the light.
Don't think I would use them on new jobs as I don't like to put in any junctions, MF or otherwise, on a new job.
Can't see the material savings yet when 4-5 boxes will cost the same as 100m of 1mm twin cable.

My achy wrists are loving the jokari tool though..... breeze on a full rewire second fix.

 

[The Ghost]

You should get a clip that is used to release the device once engaged

I did email them about this, the reply is below verbatim.

I'm very sorry, every starter kit should usually come with one as standard! I will have to chat to the guys in dispatch and see what happened. I'll send you one first thing Tuesday and I'll put in an extra switch and load free of charge to say sorry!

 

[The Ghost]

Can't see the material savings yet when 4-5 boxes will cost the same as 100m of 1mm twin cable.

Good point, I think my point was time saving in laying in cable, although as you know statutes/regs require us to use the least materials in an installation. You know its green and sustainable and so on.

 

[Andy78]

I did email them about this, the reply is below verbatim.

I'm very sorry, every starter kit should usually come with one as standard! I will have to chat to the guys in dispatch and see what happened. I'll send you one first thing Tuesday and I'll put in an extra switch and load free of charge to say sorry!

They are good guys, I asked for all switch and loads in my kit instead of the splitters and it was no problem for them.

Good point, I think my point was time saving in laying in cable, although as you know statutes/regs require us to use the least materials in an installation. You know its green and sustainable and so on.

I'd say the materials and energy put into manufacturing the boxes required on any job would be more than the length of cable they replaced.

 

[loplug]

damn another product that I can see may be use full and will probably end up in the van

 

[Andy78]

In their defence the product is top notch. Really well thought out and designed, and the production quality is excellent.

I think the real innovation is the cable connection and clamp system. So much better than anything on the market currently.

 

[AJshep]

I honestly can't see where I would use them. Even if I got called out to change a 3 plated pendant to a decorative light as the switch cable goes into the opposite end to the feed so there probably wouldn't be enough slack on the cables to terminate it anyway.

The idea is great though.

 

[Toneyz]

So, although as you know, I am not a tool tart I have invested in this little time saver. As you can see from the piccy you have two splitters and two switch JB and stripper (up to 2.5mm² T&E) but the jb only take 1mm/1.5mm². This is a wise investment not just a tool for a week and then gets left somewhere. Remember a tool is for life not just christmas.View attachment 42452

Vort, there can only be room for one tool tart on this forum.

 

[Phil Thompson]

@123 could you see yourself using these?

 

[Midwest]

If you use one of those to replace an existing ceiling rose for example; once you've connected up your Quickwire connector, how do you put the connector block up back through the small existing hole, where the ceiling rose was/is?

 

[Wilko]

Ha - there'll need to be a whole hole, or perhaps only half of a whole hole as these things are a bit smaller. Otherwise it's back into the loft we go, hi ho, hi ho.

 

[The Ghost]

room for one tool tart

Well it certainly isn't me.
Anyway it may be an answer in search of a problem agreed. Anyhoo the strippers are great.

 

[Midwest]

I use Click Flow. Still need a big hole made.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I honestly can't see where I would use them. Even if I got called out to change a 3 plated pendant to a decorative light as the switch cable goes into the opposite end to the feed so there probably wouldn't be enough slack on the cables to terminate it anyway.

The idea is great though.

Exactly my thoughts....9/10 times you would never have enough slack on the switch wire as it terminates at the wrong end IMO.

 

[The Ghost]

Exactly my thoughts

I think you and others may be right if you only look at the product as what it is presented as. I have been thinking of how I may use this and for instance the splitter could be used to tap into an existing circuit to feed an extension for instance. I seem to be doing quite a few extensions lately. I am also thinking it may be of use in altering existing circuits to add more lights. The other day I had to wago a switch and feed and a feed to outside lights. I had plenty of cable to do the connections as it was a new install on an extension. Looking at this product it could have worked really well in that situation as against the wagos and box it would have been a lot quicker. As I have said early days and looking at it from all angles. Looking forward to a 2.5mm² version rated at 32a. The instructions have a somewhat cryptic statement being "DO NOT COVER" I have emailed the manufacturer to ask for some further information on that statement.

 

[Andy78]

I think Wago connectors with enclosures are cheaper and obviously infinitely more flexible in terms of wiring configurations.
I can't see me being persuaded by any marginal time saving aspect as I always price my jobs so that I can take it steady anyway. #relaxednotlazy

As I said though, the cable push clamp is a great invention and it would be awesome to see it incorporated into downlights and such. I would urge others to ask them for a free sample to have a play with. Even if you see no use for them they are worth a fiddle with.

 

[telectrix]

just ordered the starter kit from them. would have come in handy the other day... adding 4 extra 600 x 600 led panels to existing circuit.

 

[Midwest]

Think a good use of these, if they could take 2.5mm (& 32A), is spurring off a cable on a RFC as a through connection. The instance where you can't use a Wago box, 'cos there is not enough slack on the cable, for the two cut ends to go into the one entry of the Connexbox.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Think a good use of these, if they could take 2.5mm (& 32A), is spurring off a cable on a RFC as a through connection. The instance where you can't use a Wago box, 'cos there is not enough slack on the cable, for the two cut ends to go into the one entry of the Connexbox.

A Hager J803 usually does the trick.

 

[Midwest]

They need competition

 

[The Ghost]

Originally when I wired a switch and loop in loop out in a junction box it was one of those brown bakelite 4 terminal little brass grub screws. In a loft bent down in partial darkness and I had to get it exactly right. You can't imagine how glad I am something like this and the strippers that come with it, and other things like wago came along.

 

[telectrix]

think those brown circular junction boxes have had their day now. they can R.I.P. along with the SR 53, Hindenburg, Steam Power, and the Fairey Swordfish.

 

[sparksfly]

Thanks for the user feedback info Vortigern, i did look at these last year at Elex but got put off by price. I can see they will come in handy for certain jobs.
For smaller joints i usually use a little jcn box from toolstation Junction Box IP20 4 Entries - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Electrical/d190/Junction+Boxes/sd3071/Junction+Box+IP20/p59791 and push fit connectors.
As for very quick downlight install...
Saxby shieldplus MV downlights are good mid range with integral push fit with 2x cable capacity.

 

[telectrix]

if you like the 2 cable push fit entry, have a look at the JCC V50. only 50mm tall, and can be covered by insulation. since finding these, i specify them on all installations.

 

[westward10]

That Toolstation joint box looks a right piece of shyte.

 

[123]

@123 could you see yourself using these?

No, I can't see a situation where I would need to use them to be honest. Would you be using them?

 

[sparksfly]

That Toolstation joint box looks a right piece of shyte.

Maybe not a wagobox or chocbox but it is smaller & proven useful sometimes.

 

[Wilko]

That Toolstation joint box looks a right piece of shyte.

It is better than leaving the connectors run free, but not by much