NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Partner with Rated People!

[Octopus]

NICEIC was approached with an offer by Rated People which we felt might be beneficial to our contractors.

There is no commercial gain for NICEIC. The offer is for a trial period only.

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believe all electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

However, we appreciate your feedback on this issue and will be reviewing the offer going forward.

So you both gain by mutual collaboration through marketing.

WE would prefer headlines such as the NICEIC, Trading Standard and the xx Police gain xx prosecutions for non compliance of Part P and dangerous electrical installations.

I'm not holding my breath!

 

[D Skelton]

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believe all electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

Were the people who contributed to Emma Shaw's death competent tradespeople?

They were NICEIC registered.

 

[pepparz]

Have they been found guilty?

 

[Chrisuk]

Were the people who contributed to Emma Shaw's death competent tradespeople?

They were NICEIC registered.

I always thought to have the whole NICEIC, one had to level 2,3 and nvq3?
Yet I know of some that just did level 2 and 3 and have it plastered all over their vans
What does a spark need to be able to be NICEIC registered?

 

[NickD]

Were the people who contributed to Emma Shaw's death competent tradespeople?

Person. Only the QS was found guilty.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Have they been found guilty?

One got a £1000 fine, make of that what you want.
Re: Skel's 1st question, don't know.

 

[Badged01]

One got a £1000 fine, make of that what you want.

And probably payable by XX weekly installment a £2 per week ..........

 

[MDJ]

One got a £1000 fine, make of that what you want.
Re: Skel's 1st question, don't know.

which the company will pay, without doubt

 

[Badged01]

which the company will pay, without doubt

Not all companies have got such a good cash flow as you .......

 

[D Skelton]

I always thought to have the whole NICEIC, one had to level 2,3 and nvq3?
Yet I know of some that just did level 2 and 3 and have it plastered all over their vans
What does a spark need to be able to be NICEIC registered?

Sweet FA other than to have passed a 17th Edition exam!

 

[pepparz]

That counts eng out then, haha

 

[D Skelton]

Person. Only the QS was found guilty.

No, people. It was confirmed in court that the mate had fudged the IR results, he admitted to it, the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

 

[Badged01]

... the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

I thought after the WW2 trials that old chesnut was no longer applicable ..... unless it can be proved he was so dumb and stupid so as to not know what day of the week it was?!?!

 

[NickD]

No, people. It was confirmed in court that the mate had fudged the IR results, he admitted to it, the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

We can only speculate as to why he was found not guilty, because we don't have the detailed case reporting, and juries are not required to explain their reasoning. It was reported that his handwritten test schedule was typed up and discrepancies introduced in the process; that may be a significant factor. He's an innocent man as far as the law is concerned, is all I'm saying.

 

[D Skelton]

We can only speculate as to why he was found not guilty, because we don't have the detailed case reporting, and juries are not required to explain their reasoning. It was reported that his handwritten test schedule was typed up and discrepancies introduced in the process; that may be a significant factor. He's an innocent man as far as the law is concerned, is all I'm saying.

No, you don't have the detailed case reporting. I have the benefit of having spoken to someone who was actually sat in the court room.

The mate was found not guilty of breaching a health and safety regulation, that is a fact and one we cannot argue, but that does not mean he bears no responsibility at all for her death, especially when he admitted in a court of law to fudging test results!

Just because you have been found innocent of a crime, that does not automatically absolve you of any responsibility.

 

[Chrisuk]

Sweet FA other than to have passed a 17th Edition exam!

Strict then! ! ! !

 

[Badged01]

Strict then! ! ! !

You may find that was a touch tongue in cheek in only requiring the 17th edn ......

 

[D Skelton]

You may find that was a touch tongue in cheek in only requiring the 17th edn ......

Err, no. The C&G 2382 is the only qualification a current 'qualified' supervisor is required to hold.

 

[NickD]

No, you don't have the detailed case reporting. I have the benefit of having spoken to someone who was actually sat in the court room.

But with respect, unless it was the judge or one of the lawyers you spoke to (and even then it's iffy), you don't know that what they've told you is complete, impartial, covers the relevant points of both evidence and law, etc. - so it's unlikely to be enough to make a solid argument on why the jury decided to find him not guilty, is the point I was making.

If you can point to evidence that he admitted fudging the tests then fair enough you can argue that even though found not guilty he may share some of the moral responsibility. But that's a separate argument from why he got off, is all I'm saying.

 

[D Skelton]

I don't particularly care how he got off, what's done is done, what I do care about and what I do feel is significant is his admissions in court, which are in the public domain.

I stand by what I say, and that is that both contributed to the death of Emma Shaw, and the NIC and the rest of the scams have a hell of a lot to answer to!

This fact isn't about me, nor is it about you, it is about public safety, and contrary to what the NIC like to tell us, the complete disregard for it!

In my opinion, this thread is not the place to attempt pedantry.