Rcd outdoor skt.

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gregorabbott

Hi guys quick question. Neighbour wants outdoor skt at garden shed. Her house has no rcd protection. Old rewirable fuse board. Cable to be buried underground. Going to spur off closest skt, then out to shed in armour cable. Without upgrading the fuse board is there any way I can rcd protect the armour cable? Taking the armour cable back to the fuse board and fitting a seperate rcd enclosure is practically impossible. Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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In my line of work I don't do much of this sort of thing so out of laziness I asked on here. But it just seems to be full of smart arses. After checking the regs book I can see no requirements for rcd protection for cables buried underground. Reg 522.8.10 only states that a cable buried underground shall incorporate an earthed armour or metal sheath and should be buried at sufficient depth with suitable marking tape etc. sorry for any inconvenience. I was wrong to assume the cable would need to be rcd protected.
 
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gregorabbott said:
In my line of work I don't do much of this sort of thing so out of laziness I asked on here. But it just seems to be full of smart arses. After checking the regs book I can see no requirements for rcd protection for cables buried underground. Reg 522.8.10 only states that a cable buried underground shall incorporate an earthed armour or metal sheath and should be buried at sufficient depth with suitable marking tape etc. sorry for any inconvenience. I was wrong to assume the cable would need to be rcd protected.
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So step one, you looked it up - the next poser is what depth does it need to be buried at?
 
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Yip.just states the cable shall be buried at sufficient depth to avoid being damaged by any reasonably foreseeable disturbance of the ground.
 
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I see nothing at all has changed around here. Someone asks as question and gets the p*ss taken out of them. No-one's taking any notice of:

Please be reminded that if your reply can't help the original poster, it may be seen as pointless and taking the thread off topic. Please make sure what you are about to post is in-keeping with the forum rules, specifically the "be nice" rule. Just be nice and helpful (even to new members) or don't reply at all please. Also note that we urge all members, regular or new, to report any posts that are off-topic, pointless or offensive.
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Apart from agricultural/horticultural there is no specific distance given in the regs other than already mentioned that it needs to be buried at sufficient depth to avoid being damaged. Which in a garden is usually taken as from a spade! Based on this the recommended depth is between 500 - 600mm
 
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Stroppy said:
I see nothing at all has changed around here. Someone asks as question and gets the p*ss taken out of them. No-one's taking any notice of:
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So you are happy spoon feeding numpties. I see this thread as a minor success, the OP clearly has a regs book, knows where it is and has looked in it. I salute him for this.
 
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gregorabbott said:
No Murdoch I will not look again.
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Well rather bizarrely his is almost absent in definition except in 701... can't remember the next number which refers to farm type installations.

This is yet another clear omission from the regs and does need to be defined so as my learned friend above has stated 500mm - 600mm - this is the generally "agreed" recommendation under soil/grass.
 
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Hi,

How are you planning on earthing the armouring? Are you going to be doing it at the house end, as ideally it hold as a minimum be earthed at the origin.

I would recommend taking it up into an adaptable box then tagging it to the earth, but then if it runs out to be a TNCS and you are extending the equipotentil zone, really you should be using a 10mm earth for the bonding of extraneous parts at the remote end if applicable.
 
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gregorabbott said:
In my line of work I don't do much of this sort of thing so out of laziness I asked on here. But it just seems to be full of smart arses. After checking the regs book I can see no requirements for rcd protection for cables buried underground. Reg 522.8.10 only states that a cable buried underground shall incorporate an earthed armour or metal sheath and should be buried at sufficient depth with suitable marking tape etc. sorry for any inconvenience. I was wrong to assume the cable would need to be rcd protected.
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So you are happy to install a new socket circuit outside without any thoughts of RCD protection ???
 
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Dizzy_Maskell said:
So you are happy to install a new socket circuit outside without any thoughts of RCD protection ???
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I don't think that is what they are saying mate. The SWA cable going to the garden shed doesn't need RCD protection. Once in the shed a RCD will be fitted.
 
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Two points I'd make here: 1. To the original poster... I wouldn't touch this. I'd recommend a mains board replacement and cable back to it or I wouldn't do the job.2. Threads like this remind me why I'm an observer on this forum and any other like it. Wouldn't dream of asking anyone for advice on here just to get lambasted from every direction. Even if the guy is, in your opinion, a numpty, answer him calmly, even advise he gets someone who knows what he's doing, but the way you lot rip into people is ridiculous and makes you look rather pitiful I reckon.
 
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VintageGt said:
Two points I'd make here: 1. To the original poster... I wouldn't touch this. I'd recommend a mains board replacement and cable back to it or I wouldn't do the job.2. Threads like this remind me why I'm an observer on this forum and any other like it. Wouldn't dream of asking anyone for advice on here just to get lambasted from every direction. Even if the guy is, in your opinion, a numpty, answer him calmly, even advise he gets someone who knows what he's doing, but the way you lot rip into people is ridiculous and makes you look rather pitiful I reckon.
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This forum claims to be for practising electricians BUT its been over run by numpties and DIYers... and that's why its heading further down the pan every day.
 
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That may be but if I wasn't electrically minded and wanted a domestic electrical question answering, where would I go.....here. You want advice off people who know what they are doing, not other DIY'ers who are probably in the same boat as you.

It doesn't give people the excuse to take a dump on everyone who asks a question, as is the case with a few members on here.

If you want guaranteed genuine electricians as members, the Admin better start requesting qualification certificates, proof of professional body membership and setting an entrance test.

Or, people could either be helpful or be quiet....there's an idea.
 
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J@mes said:
That may be but if I wasn't electrically minded and wanted a domestic electrical question answering, where would I go.....here. You want advice off people who know what they are doing, not other DIY'ers who are probably in the same boat as you.

It doesn't give people the excuse to take a dump on everyone who asks a question, as is the case with a few members on here.

If you want guaranteed genuine electricians as members, the Admin better start requesting qualification certificates, proof of professional body membership and setting an entrance test.

Or, people could either be helpful or be quiet....there's an idea.
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Its a 2 way street matey, people start basic threads, then when responders ask simple questions they go unanswered or the OP's get shirty.. then the flack starts. Its up to posters to respond to questions BOTH WAYS. Simples.
 
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Definitely, but chances are that if a poster doesn't respond then they have realised they are out of their depth and it should be left at that, not turn in to a feeding frenzy by the long term members.

And sure, people get shirty, it appears mostly after a drilling from a long term member who then claims that person "can't take banter". One mans banter is another mans bullying. :yinyang:
 
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J@mes said:
Definitely, but chances are that if a poster doesn't respond then they have realised they are out of their depth and it should be left at that, not turn in to a feeding frenzy by the long term members.

And sure, people get shirty, it appears mostly after a drilling from a long term member who then claims that person "can't take banter". One mans banter is another mans bullying. :yinyang:
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crxp!!
 
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Don't worry, I have a thick skin no doubt. Nothing bothers me at all. But not everyone is the same. So should people be excluded from the job because they can't take endless torrents of abuse?

Where I work I've been the apprentice getting endless amounts of stick, I've been the bloke giving it out and I'm now the manager who has to oversee it all......and it's very very easy to see when one man's banter is another man's bullying.

If you can't see it, chances are you're the one who always thinks it's banter.....
 
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VintageGt said:
Two points I'd make here: 1. To the original poster... I wouldn't touch this. I'd recommend a mains board replacement and cable back to it or I wouldn't do the job.2
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Why not? Seems like a perfectly simple 'socket in a garden shed' job. All the regulations can be met without upgrading the CU or any of the associated works.
So go ahead and quote the job as it is whilst also discussing the age and of the installation with the client including the merits of having a full EICR carried out.
If the existing installation is in good condition the. There isn't necessarily any grounds for replacing the existing fuseboard.
 
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