Retro style pendant lights and 3 plate wiring

[mattg4321]

Got a couple of fittings to put up for a customer soon. Wiring 3x 1mm T+E - 3 plated at ceiling light. No access to floor above. Customer is adamant they want these light fittings put up (or very similar).

Anybody got any clever ideas? To be honest I can't see any way this is going to work short of changing the plate on the ceiling to something similar but bigger/ bodging it with wages pushed into the ceiling void which clearly I'm not going to be doing.

http://www.lampsandlights.co.uk/images/zoom_ceiling-plate-small-single-cordgrip-metal-antique.jpg

 

[Sintra]

Change the rose to one of these Antique Brass Ceiling Rose with metal cord grip there's loads of room for connections.

 

[sparksburnout]

Change the rose to one of these Antique Brass Ceiling Rose with metal cord grip there's loads of room for connections.

Good suggestion, although might not fit in with the customers requirements. They are in charge, at the end of the day.....

 

[davesparks]

Weakening the joist holding the ceiling up

How on earth is cutting a hole in a 4"x2" noggin going to weaken any joist?
A noggin and a joist are not the same thing! I very much doubt that it is a joist if it is only 4"x2" as joists are normally a damn sight bigger due to having a load bearing floor on them.

I realise I assumed that the noggin in question has been fitted purely for supporting the light, but what else would it likely be for at those dimensions?

 

[davesparks]

Won't be just shoving the connections up into the void that's for sure. Proper lash up in my opinion! Bathroom above. What happens when it's refitted a few years down the line and the bodge is exposed!

Nogging was put there for the light fitting so cutting a hole out of it isn't a problem. The loop in box is a good idea. Lets hope the distance between screw holes is right!

That's why I asked if its a standard besa pattern (they usually are)

 

[Andy78]

Good suggestion, although might not fit in with the customers requirements. They are in charge, at the end of the day.....

I've fitted those exact ones and there is heaps of room inside for connections.

 

[sparksburnout]

I've fitted those exact ones and there is heaps of room inside for connections.

Well, its all just part of the job.......

 

[LankyWill]

what on earths 3 plate wiring, do you mean fed light?

 

[davesparks]

what on earths 3 plate wiring, do you mean fed light?

3 plate wiring is where the feeds are taken to the light with a switch drop from each light, this utilises three connections (plates)

 

[7029 dave]

what on earths 3 plate wiring, do you mean fed light?

So you have never heard of 3plate wiring system.? It is the ceiling rose loop in/ out plus S/L .

 

[7029 dave]

fyi

 

[sparksburnout]

what on earths 3 plate wiring, do you mean fed light?

I think the lads are being a bit pendantic Lanky, hehe.

 

[amlu]

bit of digging above the light, now we have wago connectors and is quite possible to make a tidy job out of it. no more choc bloc and tape mess you see every day. in extreme cases solder+heatshrink method comes even smaller and neater but you need some practice.

 

[telectrix]

or use the tried and trusted chocblocks, wrap with 2 layers of insulation tape and stuff up in the ceiling. it's standard manufacturers instructions with B&Q light fittings, and BS7671 says that these should be followed/taken into consideration. :17:

 

[hasel5]

I would of thought you would be able to terminate within the back of the rose you showed if only 3 x 1mm twins just a bit of careful dressing and done

 

[telectrix]

I would of thought you would be able to terminate within the back of the rose you showed if only 3 x 1mm twins just a bit of careful dressing and done

let's not get into the cross dressing scene yet. it's too early in the morning. :stuart: