C1 every time.
Even in a locked cupboard. You cannot rely on only skilled or trained people having access to the keys.
Even in a locked cupboard. You cannot rely on only skilled or trained people having access to the keys.
Bugger double posted again.
Coding should be your personal opinion, there is nothing official in black and white to say what Code this should be.
Blooming well should be. In or out of a locked cupboard, the code should be the same ( edit for that particular situation). How many other variables apply.
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I thought so. Just 1 report says 2 for locked cupboard AND 1 for the other 1s noy in locked location .i found it strange. Maybe if only 1 missing but not that amoumt.Don't know why he put that as he put a 1 for the rest. It's been changed now though . .as for the coding i see it as effecting the IP RATING . .would yous say thats a fair rate .£2 per blank amd 30min per board
I didn't say about variables. Coding is a personal judgement.
As you may know westward, I don't do EICR's (or have done a suitable course). I do find it strange that coding, is left to the personnel opinion of the inspector. I understand that no one situation can be the same, but I don't really understand, how one inspector can code something one way, and another one might code it another, when something is exactly the same.
And like this time the same guy codes the same problem diffrent due to location
I personally think a C1 is a bit extreme.
Is a c1 fair when there is mass amounts missing . I recon on this job it's the case of if its a C1 for 1 of the CUs then it's a C1 for them all locked location or not . Like previously said by other dont know who will access the local. .
Gromits missing not quite the same as blanks. It depends if you can get your finger in the hole and it could touch live parts. Then it would be a C1.
If your concerned about ingress or protection of cables on entry then probably C3 maybe C2 depending on other factors.
Pete's already liked your suggestion. why not have it done on an hourly rate plus materials. Everyone's a winner then?
Soz didn't notice the like. Crz
I recon its a days work for 1 guy .I know it might be a boring day but an easy wee shift never dose anyone any harm now and again.
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I have to say that the code should be based on the scenario. C1 is immediately dangerous. So if in normal circumstances that panel cannot be accessed by anyone but a skilled person then it can be a C2.
My gut feeling on an EICR is if you have some blanks in your van that will fit then fit them and don't even record it as a code.
My gut feeling on an EICR is if you have some blanks in your van that will fit then fit them and don't even record it as a code.
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Nigel
Generally I would a C1 in a general area and a C2 in a cupboard with controlled access. It does really depend on how that access is managed. At the larger station I work on electric cupboards and switch room keys are very tightly controlled.
Why does the skilled person matter? You have potential exposed live parts.
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Octopus
Not all CU's have exposed live parts - some Crabtree have units that plug in .............
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Nigel
Electricians are exposed to live parts all the time.
Why discuss what code for having a blank missing
There is no such specific problem as a missing blank and it is nigh on impossible to group each situation and set a universal code
The judgement should be made on accessibility to live parts without the use of a tool,if they can be accessed the code is different to non accessed (whether blanks exist or don't exist,they are in themselves irrelevant)
There is no such specific problem as a missing blank and it is nigh on impossible to group each situation and set a universal code
The judgement should be made on accessibility to live parts without the use of a tool,if they can be accessed the code is different to non accessed (whether blanks exist or don't exist,they are in themselves irrelevant)
I know where you're coming from, but if we accept that there are exposed live parts as a result of a blank being missing then it's hard to be merciful with the coding.
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Octopus
Hit, nail and head spring to mind
C1 if at a low level and you can see the copper
C2 if at a high level and if you can see copper
BUT ifs it when doing an EICR, I would probably get one out of the van and fit it ............ unless the installation is a pile of poo!
I would be putting down a c1 for missing blanks. reason any kid around will think is a post box .and little hands can get in side .
Bring back the old Category 1 to 4 system I say as Code 1 and 2 are far too similar in meaning. Is a missing blank a Code 1 (Danger present) or Code 2 (Potentially dangerous). A blank missing is a potential danger in my eyes as there is potential to cause harm. What does danger present represent exactly.
They shouldn’t be.
They shouldn’t be.
In this instance I probably would not Code it at all.
A Code 1 (C1) observation means ‘Danger present, risk of injury, Immediate remedial action required.’ It is an immediate threat and should be rectified or made safe as soon as possible. An example of a C1 defect would be accessible live conductors due to damage, poorly modified enclosures or removed maintenance panels. Incorrect polarity would also attract a code C1 as it may allow conductive parts, not normally expected to be live, to become live.
The presence of a code C1 warrants immediate action to be taken which would be to inform the duty holder or responsible person for the installation immediately, both verbally and in writing, of the risk of injury that exists.
A Code 2 (C2) is a potentially dangerous defect, these might be things that don’t pose an immediate threat but are likely to become a danger in the future. A C2 is described as ‘Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.’
The phrase “potentially dangerous”, in the C2 code is designed to point towards a risk of injury from contact with live parts after a sequence of events. A sequence of events could mean that an individual may gain access to live parts through a day to day task that would not be expected to give access to live parts.
An observation code FI is described as ‘Further investigation required without delay.’ This means that your electrical contractor has observed something whilst carrying out the testing for instance emergency lights seem very dim. This might not have been covered in the report so they have noted it separately as code FI.
Codes C1 and C2 attract unsatisfactory report findings and you’ll have to have these defects rectified in order to prove compliance. A report could also be classed as unsatisfactory if the only fault codes are FI. An example would be when there are lots of circuits that are not verified at the time of testing, this is because the inspector would not be able to categorically say that these circuits are safe or not.
Code 3 is described as ‘Improvement recommended.’ This means it does not comply with the regulations but isn’t actually dangerous. A code C3 should imply that the installation is not necessarily dangerous but it may not comply with the current version of the regulations or for example, may have damaged fittings that do not have exposed live parts. A code C3, in itself, should not warrant an overall unsatisfactory report.
You will need to address C1, C2 and FI faults on your report in order to achieve compliance. Once faults have been rectified and your electrician has issued you with the relevant paperwork, Electrical Installation Certificate (EIC) or Minor Works Certificate (MW) these should be kept together with the EICR to prove all faults have been rectified in accordance with BS7671.
The presence of a code C1 warrants immediate action to be taken which would be to inform the duty holder or responsible person for the installation immediately, both verbally and in writing, of the risk of injury that exists.
A Code 2 (C2) is a potentially dangerous defect, these might be things that don’t pose an immediate threat but are likely to become a danger in the future. A C2 is described as ‘Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.’
The phrase “potentially dangerous”, in the C2 code is designed to point towards a risk of injury from contact with live parts after a sequence of events. A sequence of events could mean that an individual may gain access to live parts through a day to day task that would not be expected to give access to live parts.
An observation code FI is described as ‘Further investigation required without delay.’ This means that your electrical contractor has observed something whilst carrying out the testing for instance emergency lights seem very dim. This might not have been covered in the report so they have noted it separately as code FI.
Codes C1 and C2 attract unsatisfactory report findings and you’ll have to have these defects rectified in order to prove compliance. A report could also be classed as unsatisfactory if the only fault codes are FI. An example would be when there are lots of circuits that are not verified at the time of testing, this is because the inspector would not be able to categorically say that these circuits are safe or not.
Code 3 is described as ‘Improvement recommended.’ This means it does not comply with the regulations but isn’t actually dangerous. A code C3 should imply that the installation is not necessarily dangerous but it may not comply with the current version of the regulations or for example, may have damaged fittings that do not have exposed live parts. A code C3, in itself, should not warrant an overall unsatisfactory report.
You will need to address C1, C2 and FI faults on your report in order to achieve compliance. Once faults have been rectified and your electrician has issued you with the relevant paperwork, Electrical Installation Certificate (EIC) or Minor Works Certificate (MW) these should be kept together with the EICR to prove all faults have been rectified in accordance with BS7671.
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Nigel
How do you fault find and test?
Who me ?? I don't
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Nigel
I never quoted you.
Any live working requires Risk assesment and method statements. Not just restricted access. As I said you shouldnt be working live not cant work live.
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