Cooker Electrics, Too many connections?

[Dean Goodier]

I recently had a gas safety engineer inspect our appliances to which end he had to pull the electric oven unit from its cupboard housing to reach the underside of the gas hob.

As he did this I noticed that I have 2 double plugs connected directly to the cooker electrics. (I'm not an electrician so I hope I am describing this correctly)
Now I am a bit dubious as to the safety of this method.

One of the double sockets connected to this did have our washing machine connected to it (plugged in) but the socket has since failed to work and we have had to move the plug to another socket which is not directly connected to the cooker unit. Incidently at around the same time this socket failed the cooker switch on the mains unit has tripped near daily, wether the cooker is in use or not.

Please advise. Should I have these connections removed or is this safe?

 

[trev]

So a gas safety engineer had a quick look and decided it was unsafe? This, to put it as politely as possible, is ball hooks. If you have any doubt about the safety of a circuit get an electrician in to carry out an inspection and test of it mate.

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There could be a few reasons why the tripping is occurring, best get it looked at properly

 

[stuartcourt]

If your unsure well worth getting someone (electrician) to look at it

 

[simpson93]

sounds to me like the cooker is wired in as a point on your ring?

, get an electrician in to have a look.

 

[Dean Goodier]

I did not say the gas engineer said it was unsafe rather that I am dubious and am asking IS it unsafe? As stated above some of the sockets have failed and I am unsure (ME) wether this is correct or not. I am asking as we have had issues with this connection and as yet the landlord has failed to provide (decent) engineer to correct it.

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Ring? sorry I do not know the term (other than the one I wear on my finger)

 

[derek]

Incidently at around the same time this socket failed the cooker switch on the mains unit has tripped near daily, wether the cooker is in use or not.

Please advise. Should I have these connections removed or is this safe?

Perhaps a 'photo or two would clarify your description. As for the cooker switch tripping are you referring to the Circuit breaker or RCD in the consumer unit/fuse board?

 

[markc123]

Get a qualified electrician in and sort it out. Simples.

 

[bigbaddave]

Ring the landlord and refuse to pay any further rent until he fixes the issues. As for the cooker think.. Send us a pic if you wiuld

 

[trev]

I did not say the gas engineer said it was unsafe rather that I am dubious and am asking IS it unsafe? As stated above some of the sockets have failed and I am unsure (ME) wether this is correct or not. I am asking as we have had issues with this connection and as yet the landlord has failed to provide (decent) engineer to correct it.

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Ring? sorry I do not know the term (other than the one I wear on my finger)

Sorry Dean I misread your post, it might be worth your while to get the landlord to come down so you can have a face to face talk with him/her. One of the problems you'll face is the "It's worked for years" attitude, landlords are notoriously bad at sorting out electrical issues. When Simpson mention a ring he means a ring final circuit, it's a method of connecting socket circuits.

 

[Dean Goodier]

Ok terminology isn't my best friend today. Lets just say at least once a day I have to visit my main electric box (fuse box?) and flip the switch designated cooker.

 

[markc123]

I did not say the gas engineer said it was unsafe rather that I am dubious and am asking IS it unsafe? As stated above some of the sockets have failed and I am unsure (ME) wether this is correct or not. I am asking as we have had issues with this connection and as yet the landlord has failed to provide (decent) engineer to correct it.

The cooker is tripping out, there is obviouslly a fault - so yes, it's unsafe. As before, get a qualified sparks to take a look.

 

[Dean Goodier]

Sorting a pic now, as for Ring, for my own knowledge is this what your refering too?

Ring circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[simpson93]

Ok terminology isn't my best friend today. Lets just say at least once a day I have to visit my main electric box (fuse box?) and flip the switch designated cooker.

and this controls the 2 double sockets and the cooker?

 

[derek]

That means there is a fault, an electrician is needed to fix it.

 

[trev]

Do you have another one labelled Kitchen sockets? It sounds like you could have extra sockets on the cooker circuit but as stated by my learned friends, photos would help. Although it is a bit difficult to diagnose your problem over t'interweb

 

[Dean Goodier]

haha so much for the pic

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[simpson93]

just post afew more times

 

[markc123]

2more to go before you can show us all the phantom cooker circuit then.

 

[Dean Goodier]

Wow very active forum.

Yes the extra sockets are connected to the cooker.

Yes there is another switch at the main (fuse box) which reads kitchen sockets, also others for sockets round the house, lights, etc...
If I flip the one labeled kitchen sockets (and the cooker one hasn't tripped) 1 of the 2 sockets works (tested with kettle, coz I like my brews)

 

[trev]

1 of the 2 sockets works (tested with kettle, coz I like my brews)

At least we know you have your priorities right

 

[simpson93]

gogo post again so you can post a pic, if it was a wired as a ring and it was the circuit is in working order you would be fine as long as your oven is less then 7.36kw as long as nothing else is plugged into the other sockets on the circuit.

but the socket that doesn't work is cause for concern get an electrician in.

- this is with the assumption that your ring is wired in 2.5mm size cable on a 32amp breaker

 

[Dave 85]

So a gas safety engineer had a quick look and decided it was unsafe? This, to put it as politely as possible, is ball hooks. If you have any doubt about the safety of a circuit get an electrician in to carry out an inspection and test of it mate.

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There could be a few reasons why the tripping is occurring, best get it looked at properly

Read the post again Trev. Nowhere does it say anything of the sort.

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Read the thread again Dave.... the OP has already pointed this out and Trev has apologised

sorry

Intrigued to know what a double plug is though...my clients keep asking me to install them but when I ask the wholesaler they insist there is no such thing on the market....

 

[Elmer BeFuddled]

Intrigued to know what a double plug is though...

Isn't that those 118 118 bits you get either side of the good programmes? My missus reckons I'd do better with a butt plug, if only I knew what one of those were!

 

[Octopus]

I recently had a gas safety engineer inspect our appliances to which end he had to pull the electric oven unit from its cupboard housing to reach the underside of the gas hob.

As he did this I noticed that I have 2 double plugs connected directly to the cooker electrics. (I'm not an electrician so I hope I am describing this correctly)
Now I am a bit dubious as to the safety of this method.

One of the double sockets connected to this did have our washing machine connected to it (plugged in) but the socket has since failed to work and we have had to move the plug to another socket which is not directly connected to the cooker unit. Incidently at around the same time this socket failed the cooker switch on the mains unit has tripped near daily, wether the cooker is in use or not.

Please advise. Should I have these connections removed or is this safe?

You need to write to your landlord requesting that they provide a competent person to inspect and fix the issues. I

f the landlord declines to answer or refuses, and the issue continues, you are then "allowed" to inform the landlord that you wil get the problem fixed and the cost will be deducted from your rental payment.

 

[Engineer54]

Or, ...if you want a quicker response from him, say you can smell burning!!! lol!!