New ceiling light - what am I doing wrong!!!

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Matt Anssari

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Hi all,

New to forum, apologies if this is in wrong place.

Purchased a replacement ceiling chandler and wired up, but obviously wrong as fuse keeps tripping.

I've got the two green wires from light (hand photo) to green on curling fitting, where old yellow wire is.

Blue wire from light (hand photo) to far left where old blue one is.

And brown wire (hand photo) going to far right on cieling fitting where old brown is.

Fuse keeps tripping though, sorry I've tried my best to Explain.

Thanks,

Matt

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You sure it's 2 green wires from the light? Looks like 1 green cpc and one grey?

You need to work out which is your permanent live and which is your switch live in that ceiling rose.

Also please get those live (brown) cables into a connector block at the very least! And always make sure the electricity is confirmed OFF before doing any electrical work.
 
Are you leaving those brown cables twisted up loose in the base ... hope not ... but if so, there's your problem. The metal bits of the base are hopefully earthed and they are making contact when screwed back on. Bang.
 
Thanks for reply.

The photo of block in my hand is out of the box.
There are two wires going to the labelled earth, ones is fully green, the other is grey BUT with a green thread/string in it.

I am simply the unscrewing the wires out of the block in the hand photo and putting into the old block on the ceiling (obviously removing original wires for old fitting that's still in that photo)

Thanks
 
Just the clarify the photo of the ceiling block with the brown twisted wires is the old light I was removing so I was mid removing the wires, the brown twisted wires in the photo were inside the actual block but I unscrewed removed and took photo, but just imagine them inside the block.
 
just call a local electrician. cost about £40 to have it done safely. post your location, one of us may be close. that metal mounting bracket looks wrong way up. original rose needs removing.
 
Matt Anssari said:
Hi all,

New to forum, apologies if this is in wrong place.

Purchased a replacement ceiling chandler and wired up, but obviously wrong as fuse keeps tripping.

I've got the two green wires from light (hand photo) to green on curling fitting, where old yellow wire is.

Blue wire from light (hand photo) to far left where old blue one is.

And brown wire (hand photo) going to far right on cieling fitting where old brown is.

Fuse keeps tripping though, sorry I've tried my best to Explain.

Thanks,

Matt

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Time to call an Electrician Mate, otherwise you could have big problems, it's OK selling people this type of fitting wiring them up safely is another thing.
 
Matt Anssari said:
Hi all,

New to forum, apologies if this is in wrong place.

Purchased a replacement ceiling chandler and wired up, but obviously wrong as fuse keeps tripping.

I've got the two green wires from light (hand photo) to green on curling fitting, where old yellow wire is.

Blue wire from light (hand photo) to far left where old blue one is.

And brown wire (hand photo) going to far right on cieling fitting where old brown is.

Fuse keeps tripping though, sorry I've tried my best to Explain.

Thanks,

Matt

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Where are you in the UK?
 
I do t want to offend anyone, (other than myself) but this really can't be that hard to warrant a electriacian, I'm literally swapping like for like.

The photo (with colour lines) is of ceiling fitting , it has a block which I took the colour wires out (it worked fine)

The second photo with numbers is of my new light wires to connect;

1 = blue string inside (neutral?)

2 = has no sting inside (live?)

3 = has a green string inside (earth?)

4 = green wire (2nd earth?)

Matt
 
Matt Anssari said:
I do t want to offend anyone, (other than myself) but this really can't be that hard to warrant a electriacian, I'm literally swapping like for like.

The photo (with colour lines) is of ceiling fitting , it has a block which I took the colour wires out (it worked fine)

The second photo with numbers is of my new light wires to connect;

1 = blue string inside (neutral?)

2 = has no sting inside (live?)

3 = has a green string inside (earth?)

4 = green wire (2nd earth?)

Matt
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What are those 3 brown wires doing twisted up like that?
 
Where do those three blues and browns come from they are not in your other picture.
 
They are the old light Pete and westie
What terminals are you using in the ceiling rose to terminate and what wires are you using or are you removing them from the terminal strip?
Doh! I'm involved now!
Couple more photos, we like to see one of the light fitting so that we can judge you on your taste - it's our reward for helping!
 
Welcome to the forum.

The arrangement you have at the moment with the round white ceiling rose still in place and the mounting bracket fixed inverted above it is not a good way of proceeding.
With the power off the ceiling rose should be removed and the new light mounting bracket securely fixed directly to the ceiling.
Then the terminal block supplied with the light, as you have pictured, should be used to connect the wiring coming from the ceiling to the correct points.
The ceiling wiring as shown in the ceiling rose picture should be wired as Neutral (N) left, Permanent Line (L) centre, and switched line (S) right, with the green covered wires (which should be sleeved green and yellow now) at the top as earthEarth symbol.jpg.
However if someone has wired the ceiling rose wrong we cannot tell from here.
If you have it correctly mounted and connected and the previous light worked then you have a faulty light fitting if the fuse still trips.
 
Sorry photos are here;

I do t want to offend anyone, (other than myself) but this really can't be that hard to warrant a electriacian, I'm literally swapping like for like.

The photo (with colour lines) is of ceiling fitting , it has a block which I took the colour wires out (it worked fine)

The second photo with numbers is of my new light wires to connect;

1 = blue string inside (neutral?)

2 = has no sting inside (live?)

3 = has a green string inside (earth?)

4 = green wire (2nd earth?)

Matt

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as both i and RB have said, that old rose needs to come off and the fixing bracket mounted correctly. then the electrical connections can be done using wagos or similar. as said before. time for an electrician.
 
I think your theory for how to connect the new light to the old light connections is probably OK. I do wonder though if while mounting the new steel bracket you might have nicked the insulation on the cables in the old ceiling rose and now have a short circuit causing your breaker to trip.
 
FFS. OP wants to bodge it, won't listen to advice. I'm out.
 
Have you turned the bracket round after comments and still left the old ceiling rose there? Is it really is that hard to warrant an electrician? Looks like it
 
Why have you taken the sleeving off, do you know which one was brown and blue of that nasty Chinese cable.
 
IM not trying to botch anything, I'm just trying to install a new light myself.

The bracket may be the wrong way round? As removed this and put back on before photo.

In Worthing by the way.

I removed the sleeves as I shortened the cable and removed out of block supplied
 
THis is the old light fitting and wires of it helps.

Could having the metal bracket the wrong way round be causing issue?

I'll look at removing the old rose tomorrow and installing new bracket direct to ceiling.

Matt

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another light fitting "designed" by some arty farty numpty who hasn't got a clue as to how it can be fitted.
 
As someone else stated the bracket may have damaged the live conductors.
 
Thank you Richard for taking time to do that I really appreciate it.

I will remove the old rose tomorrow and install directly to ceiling.

I just hope I haven't buggered new light fitting or snagged ceiling wires beyond repair.

I have a family member who is a electrician ( I know I know) but like I said I wanted to do this on my own, pride and all that, but will be calling him if still doesn't work.

Thanks again for all that replied.

Matt
 
There's no guarantee that's how the wiring is actually configured without some test gear. There's no sleeping on the proposed switch live. What's to say someone hasn't got them mixed up?

Does the electrics trip if you turn the light circuit on without the light connected?

Are the bulbs in the light when you have connected light up and turn power on?

My friend had a similar issue and it turned out someone had put the wrong bulbs in the light from the manufacturer and it was just blowing them up.
 
If taken the old rose and metal bracket off this morning and can see that a couple of wires have been snagged so assuming that has been causing the issue.

I plan to wrap the wires in electrical tape and attach new metal blacket directly to ceiling as per Richards instructions.
 
wrap the wires in electrical tape

NO< NO< NO. that would be creating a fire risk for one. wago connectors are the answer. failing which, a short strip of connector block located within the light fitting's dome.
 
Ok update.

Wrapped all wires from ceiling in tape, only one was visibly snagged but did all as precaution.

Old rose and metal bracket taken off and using the connector block and metal bracket that was supplied with light and installed directly to ceiling.

All is working fine.

However worried about the recent fire risk claim now.......

Matt
 
as long as you have connected all safely. your earlier post seemed to suggest that you were going to wrap the connections in tape.
 
Oh dear me another fancy light fitting connected badly by the sounds of it.
 
No I have made the connections using a connector block, the one supplied with the light fitting.

I simply wrapped the already insulated/sleeves wires from the ceiling in tape as one had noticeable snagged.
 
Looks to me as the fitting bracket was crushing the conductors just enough to break down the insulation causing a short between cables.
 

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