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[James]

What would you use?

If it is not inverter driven than CY or it’s equivalent polyurethane coated version.
for a stationary motor, singles in conduit would be fine (tri rated)

edit, I did not mean CY, I meant YY. Oops, CY is screened similar to Sy and not required unless there is an emc issue.

 

[LeeH]

If it is not inverter driven than CY or it’s equivalent polyurethane coated version.
for a stationary motor, singles in conduit would be fine (tri rated)

edit, I did not mean CY, I meant YY. Oops, CY is screened similar to Sy and not required unless there is an emc issue.

That’s my point. You did not know the application so unsure why you stated it was not fit for purpose.

 

[mainline]

What would you use?

One that is recognised by British standards

SY, CY and YY cables are not manufactured to a specific British, European or international standard so in most cases it is not possible to demonstrate the performance safety standards required to satisfy the Wiring Regulations.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I would say 90% of times I have come across braided style cables they have not been installed using the correct glands.
Near every time they have been installed like the picture using a stuffing galnd Or no gland at all

 

[Mike Johnson]

European or international standard so in most cases it is not possible to demonstrate the performance safety standards required to satisfy the Wiring Regulations.

What wiring Regulations?

 

[LeeH]

One that is recognised by British standards

SY, CY and YY cables are not manufactured to a specific British, European or international standard so in most cases it is not possible to demonstrate the performance safety standards required to satisfy the Wiring Regulations.

Again, you are making the assumption that it was used in a fixed installation. 7671 does not apply here.

2 responses of complete rubbish here…

Surprised by this TBH.

 

[brianmoooore]

I would say 90% of times I have come across braided style cables they have not been installed using the correct glands.

Is there a 'correct' gland for this stuff? I've never installed any of it, but have performed maintenance and repair on installations using it, and the only glands I've come across are standard stuffing ones.

 

[Fazz711]

Is there a 'correct' gland for this stuff? I've never installed any of it, but have performed maintenance and repair on installations using it, and the only glands I've come across are standard stuffing ones.

Yes proper sheild cable glands are available but very rarely used.
They look a bit like SWA glands when done

 

[James]

CXT | Single Seal Industrial Cable Gland | CMP Products Limited

CXT Industrial Single Seal Cable Gland, for Screened Flexible (EMC) Wire Braid Cable

www.cmp-products.com

as an example

 

[LeeH]

CXT | Single Seal Industrial Cable Gland | CMP Products Limited

CXT Industrial Single Seal Cable Gland, for Screened Flexible (EMC) Wire Braid Cable

www.cmp-products.com

as an example

CXT | Single Seal Industrial Cable Gland | CMP Products Limited

CXT Industrial Single Seal Cable Gland, for Screened Flexible (EMC) Wire Braid Cable

www.cmp-products.com

as an example

For EMC compliance, the braid needs (should) be taken back to the source (drive)

So I’m calling out -------- again unless these are intended to terminate onto the gland plate of the drive (which most don’t have).

Also these use pigtails, also VERY poor for EMC compliance.

Sorry…

 

[Fazz711]

20mm Brass SY Multiflex Gland Kit - IP66 - 2 Glands (Small)​

Product Code: SY CXT20S

slide 1 of 1

This is the kind of gland I was thinking about

 

[davesparks]

Is there a 'correct' gland for this stuff? I've never installed any of it, but have performed maintenance and repair on installations using it, and the only glands I've come across are standard stuffing ones.

Yes there are various types of gland available which connect the braided shield by various means. Some required the braid to be pigtailed and clamped in a slot in the gland while others work more like an SWA gland.

Stuffing glands can also be the correct gland depending on the application.

For some installations the braiding will need to be connected to earth at one end of the cable and isolated at the other end.

 

[mainline]

Again, you are making the assumption that it was used in a fixed installation. 7671 does not apply here.

2 responses of complete rubbish here…

Surprised by this TBH.

I haven't made any assumptions as to what YOU used it for, I said that I basically wouldn't use it.

The uncertainty is how much you might rely on the braid either as a CPC or as an earthed 'armour' to allow routing out of a 'safe' zone. Now the braid resistance of all but the shortest length is not really low enough for a CPC on its own, (the braid resistance is not a well controlled parameter) and rather like cables protected by thin foils, there is a risk that if the cable was stabbed by a nail or similar, that the braid wires might just burn back from the point nearest the damage without actually blowing a fuse. So if you want to route it 'out of zone' into places where nail and screw damage is likely, especially without RCD protection, then perhaps it is not enough.




The IET's supporting guidance states: “For the purposes of ensuring compliance with BS 7671, the installation and use of non-standard cables, such as SY, CY and YY cables is discouraged.

 

[brianmoooore]

CXT | Single Seal Industrial Cable Gland | CMP Products Limited

CXT Industrial Single Seal Cable Gland, for Screened Flexible (EMC) Wire Braid Cable

www.cmp-products.com

I've had one of those in my SWA gland box on the shelf for years. No idea where it came from, and, up until today, no idea what it was intended for.

 

[brianmoooore]

For some installations the braiding will need to be connected to earth at one end of the cable and isolated at the other end.

"Isolated" being the operative word. Not waving around in space, a couple of mm from 400V terminals, like in the OP for this particular sub section of this thread.

 

[westward10]

Let's not turn this thread, if you want to debate these cables which has done many times before start another thread.

 

[Welchyboy1]

Now I know this one may not count as it was in Spain, and everyone knows the quality of the electrical work over there but this was on a main public street on the main road into town

Thats my daughter in the picture

I had to have a look in the cupboard didnt I! as it was wide open and im never off duty! : )

Looks like a three phase connection with the cover open, terminals accessible to any no. of small inquisitive hands

Unbelievable! It was humming so obviously live

Shut the door and tried to wedge it, told the reception staff in the hotel they couldnt give a monkeys

That would be unforgivable in the UK

 

[littlespark]

I just came back from Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro and Italy…. And didn’t see anything as dumb as that.

France and Spain seem to be the worst for dodgy electrics…. But I’m not that well travelled. Just my observations.

 

[ipf]

I just came back from Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro and Italy…. And didn’t see anything as dumb as that.

France and Spain seem to be the worst for dodgy electrics…. But I’m not that well travelled. Just my observations.

I'm worried we're catching them up, fast.

 

[pirate]

From extensive time/travel in Spain I have to agree that some of the stuff "on the street" is highly accessible and dangerous. Some installations are downright funny too! Street boxes without lids are commonplace and in many places the supplies for every imagineable use are simply various cables bundled up with cable-ties and hung on the outside walls just above head-height.TBH, I've not heard of many deaths caused by such sloppy electrics.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I don't think any electrician irrespective of country would leave a junction box or whatever open and dangerous, I suspect it's ANO at work, inquisitive kids or adults all the same

 

[mainline]

I don't think any electrician irrespective of country would leave a junction box or whatever open and dangerous, I suspect it's ANO at work, inquisitive kids or adults all the same

There are lots of pics online from India that lean to suspect differently.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I don't think there is any such thing as an electrician in India, just lots of jobbers doing lots of different work, if you have ever been to India then you would know how it works, the India people are very resourceful and can turn their hand to anything they wish, watching some of these imaginative people making do with what is to hand is an education in itself.

 

[mainline]

I don't think there is any such thing as an electrician in India, just lots of jobbers doing lots of different work, if you have ever been to India then you would know how it works, the India people are very resourceful and can turn their hand to anything they wish, watching some of these imaginative people making do with what is to hand is an education in itself.

I wonder how many kids suffer an electric shock in India every year.

 

[ipf]

There are lots of pics online from India that lean to suspect differently.

Must've just gone downhill since independence in 1947.

 

[ipf]

The weekly dunce award....
Called out because Roller Shutter door stuck and will not close.
The unit's lid is a bit badly fitted....


to say the least...

 

[mainline]

The weekly dunce award....
Called out because Roller Shutter door stuck and will not close.
The unit's lid is a bit badly fitted....
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to say the least...

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Tell them you need to order a switch
And let them use the chain for a week

 

[Mike Johnson]

Whoever had the lid off last put it back on upside down, could be something to do with it.

 

[ipf]

Whoever had the lid off last put it back on upside down, could be something to do with it.

Well spotted, Mike......is that an attempt at today's award?

 

[Mike Johnson]

Is there an award for stating the b****y obvious. if so I claim it.

 

[mainline]

Whoever had the lid off last put it back on upside down, could be something to do with it.

Well done Mike, it's amazing that everyone else missed that one.

 

[DPG]

Well done Mike, it's amazing that everyone else missed that one.

Ooh that's A-level sarcasm is that

 

[Mike Johnson]

At its best schoolboy sarcasm.

 

[Raptor0014]

When the builder says they can do the consumer unit cheaper.

 

[timhoward]

When the builder says they can do the consumer unit cheaper.

I feel your pain. He needs castrating with a rusty hedge trimmer for leaving it like that.

 

[brianmoooore]

Seems to be a bit of an imbalance between blue and brown wires in that CU. I've seen twin brown and earth, but never twin blue and earth, so why all the blues?

 

[nicebutdim]

Seems to be a bit of an imbalance between blue and brown wires in that CU. I've seen twin brown and earth, but never twin blue and earth, so why all the blues?

Neutral fly leads seem to dominate the scene.

 

[littlespark]

Why…. How?… eh?

3 rcbo’s sitting in the bottom of board, connected with fly lead but no space on busbar.

Insulated screwdriver? I bet he’s borrowed that just to do the board.

And how does he get the cover back on?

 

[mainline]

When the builder says they can do the consumer unit cheaper.

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It reminds me of an Afro hair style.

 

[mainline]

Why…. How?… eh?

3 rcbo’s sitting in the bottom of board, connected with fly lead but no space on busbar.

Insulated screwdriver? I bet he’s borrowed that just to do the board.

And how does he get the cover back on?

Caber flooring adhesive works well