Eicr requested after consumer unit replacement

[zenonek]

I have replaced consumer unit in small rented property, on pre visit found everything fine. Replaced,tested all the circuits, all sound, issued eic.

For letting agency eic is not enough, Eicr is due now, and they wouldn't accepr Eic instead, are they right?

Thanks

 

[Pete999]

I have replaced consumer unit in small rented property, on pre visit found everything fine. Replaced,tested all the circuits, all sound, issued eic.

For letting agency eic is not enough, Eicr is due now, and they wouldn't accepr Eic instead, are they right?

Thanks

IET Best practice guide recommends an EICR Prior to CU replacement. Perhaps you missed that one.

 

[zenonek]

IET Best practice guide recommends an EICR Prior to CU replacement. Perhaps you missed that one.

Whats done is done, it would be waste of time, installation to small and to good.
my question was is it ok to have eic instead of eicr?

 

[davesparks]

For letting agency eic is not enough, Eicr is due now, and they wouldn't accepr Eic instead, are they right?

They are wrong, you have complied with the requirements of the wirkng regulations.

The lettings agent doesn't understand the wirkng regulations, all they know is that there are new rules requiring rented properties to have EICRs therfore all they know is that they need an EICR.
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IET Best practice guide recommends an EICR Prior to CU replacement. Perhaps you missed that one.

Can you provide a link or other reference for that?

It's irrelevant though, lettings agencies don't enforce IET guidance!

 

[zenonek]

They are wrong, you have complied with the requirements of the wirkng regulations.

The lettings agent doesn't understand the wirkng regulations, all they know is that there are new rules requiring rented properties to have EICRs therfore all they know is that they need an EICR.
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Can you provide a link or other reference for that?

It's irrelevant though, lettings agencies don't enforce IET guidance!

its my thinking exactly.

 

[Pete999]

Shouldn't think so bite the bullet and do an EICR, you said you did the testing should be quite simple, if you know what you are doing.

 

[Welchyboy1]

Why not just give them both if you feel you have enough information

Whether you deceide you need to charge additionally for it is down to you as you have no obligation to produce an eicr for a consumer unit change unless agreed before hand

 

[davesparks]

Shouldn't think so bite the bullet and do an EICR

No, he shouldn't be doing that unless he gets paid to do it.

He carried out the work and issued the correct EIC to certify the work, that is all he had to do.

 

[zenonek]

Why not just give them both if you feel you have enough information

Whether you deceide you need to charge additionally for it is down to you as you have no obligation to produce an eicr for a consumer unit change unless agreed before hand

its not about that extra paper work, its about proving they are wrong. if they are wrong

 

[davesparks]

its not about that extra paper work, its about proving they are wrong. if they are wrong

They are wrong, you issue an EIC to certify the work you did, end of story.

If you had issued an EICR then you would have been in the wrong as an EICR cannot be used to certify installation work.

 

[Welchyboy1]

its not about that extra paper work, its about proving they are wrong. if they are wrong

You are required to issue eic for board change

Big question is........have they paid you yet?

If not just issue eicr and get paid move on

If youve been paid give them a lesson in the electrical certification process lol

 

[zenonek]

No, he shouldn't be doing that unless he gets paid to do it.

He carried out the work and issued the correct EIC to certify the work, that is all he had to do.

in this case i have to satisfy agency, or prove they are wrong, owner is my old client, he also thinks its bs. I would prefer they are wrong

 

[Pete999]

You are required to issue eic for board change

Big question is........have they paid you yet?

If not just issue eicr and get paid move on

If youve been paid give them a lesson in the electrical certification process lol

You are also advised to do an EICR Prior to board change.

 

[MJPD29]

IET Best practice guide recommends an EICR Prior to CU replacement. Perhaps you missed that one.

Recommends, but its not necessary or required by regs. EIC is correct certificate.

 

[BruceBanner]

They are wrong, they need education. Whilst I agree with aforementioned post that relevant rest & Inspection would have been carried out by you prior to board change, to satisfy the job requirements, this did not constitute an EICR unless this was requested & you have complied with regs. Stick to your guns, if they want an EICR, someone has to pay for it.

 

[Welchyboy1]

Re. Doing an eicr before board change.

Doing it this way in a perfect world would help greatly

I have found that it just really complicates things on the quoting phase and the customer would just get someone else, maybe its the way i explain it though lol

I usually find a reasonably thourough on site survey when quoting is easier for me and if i do get caught out just swallow it

I do allow for it if i think problems might be apparent

However i always undertake
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Ins/res between l-e/n-e
Check positions of gas/water services
Check a good few switchpoints and sockets
Look out for additions and diy add ons

Ive been pretty on the money so far

If it seemed like a diy enthusiast or a few reg flags then i would insist on eicr first but mostly wouldnt

 

[David Prosser]

I have replaced consumer unit in small rented property, on pre visit found everything fine. Replaced,tested all the circuits, all sound, issued eic.

For letting agency eic is not enough, Eicr is due now, and they wouldn't accepr Eic instead, are they right?

Thanks

What is the reason for this now being due ?

 

[zenonek]

its all ok guys, most of you answers are quite obvious to me, but taking into account landlords rules, are they allowed to keep eic (board change, no comments, installation sound, inspected and tested) in records instead of eicr that is due?
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What is the reason for this now being due ?

eicr due to 5 years period, consumer unit swap due to being plastic, faulty rcd, cracked case and generally client scared of fires..

 

[David Prosser]

its all ok guys, most of you answers are quite obvious to me, but taking into account landlords rules, are they allowed to keep eic (board change, no comments, installation sound, inspected and tested) in records instead of eicr that is due?

Why is it DUE ?

 

[zenonek]

y years eicr on the cons unit sticker
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Why is it DUE ?

5 years eicr on the cons unit sticker

 

[davesparks]

You are also advised to do an EICR Prior to board change.

Maybe someone does advise this, but there is nothing requiring it.

And certainly nothing that a letting agent has anything to do with.

 

[SJD]

As stated quite a few times above, you issue an EIC for a board change.

The new letting rules ask for an EICR (every 5 years), which is pretty much the same testing as for a board change, plus some additional inspection.

In this situation (and I'm doing 1 or 2 per week right now) - with the landlord or letting agent agreement - I issue the EIC for the board change, plus an EICR for the new rules - reflecting the installation post board-change. And I add an amount to the invoice to cover the additional work and admin, but it is far more cost effective for them compared to having them done separately.

 

[David Prosser]

y years eicr on the cons unit sticker
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5 years eicr on the cons unit sticker

If it's been five years since the board change then I think an EICR request is reasonable and works with the letting rules. It shouldn't be seen as a bad thing it should be applauded.

 

[zenonek]

If it's been five years since the board change then I think an EICR request is reasonable and works with the letting rules. It shouldn't be seen as a bad thing it should be applauded.

no, board been changed just now, at the same time as 5 years eicr is due

 

[7029 dave]

IMO, if you cave into the letting agency and provide them with an EICR without charging them, you have then set a president and they will expect it every time.

 

[David Prosser]

no, board been changed just now, at the same time as 5 years eicr is due

Well in that case your EIC is for the board not the whole installation. I can see your point that you've tested the circuits but it doesn't certify that you have inspected and tested the rest of the installation. It doesn't mean you shouldn't charge for the EICR.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

there is a lot of confusion. with the letting agent i do a lot of work for we have worked out which need eicrs due to not having a valid one, if there is one in place then at a change of tenancy with no changes or alterations etc they will get me to do a visual check. their insurance company have approved this as has the council hmo office

 

[Tommy2002]

you will have tested some stuff when you swapped unit put in your agreed limitations what you have tested and bill accordingly for your time

 

[westward10]

If it was a new build then an EIC would hopefully validate the safety of the installation however, an EIC for a consumer unit change does not encompass the same scope as it is only applicable to the works carried out. If an EICR is due then it should be carried out.

 

[Lister1987]

I would undertake the extra work (to obtain any readings not taken during EIC process) issue a cert as required and bill accordingly.

A CU change is just that, it doesn't always do the same in-depth testing as an EICR.

 

[loz2754]

This is a cut and paste from the gov.uk guidance on the 2020 Private Rented Sector regulations:

From the Gov.uk website: "What about new build properties or new electrical installations? If a property is newly built or has been completely rewired, it should have an Electrical Installation Certificate known as an EIC. Landlords can provide a copy of the EIC to tenants and, if requested, the local authority. The landlord will then not be required to carry out further checks or provide a report for 5 years after the EIC has been issued, as long as they have complied with their duty or duties under the Regulations."
An EIC would only take the place of an EICR for either a new installation or a complete rewire.
So if this tenancy is being renewed, there will need to be an EICR covering the whole of the installation, not just the consumer unit change.
And of course the EIC as well.

 

[Pete999]

Shouldn't think so bite the bullet and do an EICR, you said you did the testing should be quite simple, if you know what you are doing.

Seems to have been a misunderstanding of what I was trying to say, yes of course you are all right that an EIC is required for aboard change, i don't dipute that common knowledge really.
The OP was asked to change the CU, I mentioned that it is advisable to do an EICR prior to the CU SWAP, nit a regulation as rightly answered.
What I was trying to say unsuccessfully as it turned out was that the OP on completing the EIC has done testing of the installation (which us required) and issued an EIC, would it be that difficult to return and issue an EICR? the questioin I neglected to ask was why the CU swap was asked for in the first place, had there been an EICR done prior to the swap. was there any miscommunication between the OP and the letting agent.
Not making excuses for my earlier response, just trying to put my point over a little better, to all those who gave a disagree, I respect your points hope this explains my point a bit clearer.
As the OP was initially asked to swap the CU he has correctly issued an EIC for the board change.
You may ask why the letting agent neglected to order an EICR in the first instance? left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, why was the board change ordered. a knee jerk reaction on their part? go figure.

 

[Pete999]

Recommends, but its not necessary or required by regs. EIC is correct certificate.

I did say "Advised" never said it was / is required by the Regulations.
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Shouldn't think so bite the bullet and do an EICR, you said you did the testing should be quite simple, if you know what you are doing.

To Matthewd29 you have obviously not bothered to read my explanation posted earlier today, jumping the gun a bit there mate,