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if city and guilds' exams weren't so bloody easy, it'd be nigh-on impossible to pass them after only 5 week's tuition.

these courses rely far too heavily on studying 'past papers' and learning how to pass the exams rather than learning the actual subject.

it's about time C & G scrapped multiple-guess exams. if you don't possess the ability to learn the subject properly, then you'll have to make-do with being a mate.
 
, the most thinking you have todo is in the nvq where c&g isn't involved. Maybe it's todo with everyone allowed a crack at jobs and no discrimination even if cant spell or count but are grafters.

i dunno, coms cabinet and marco trunking tomorrow and adjust a ring circuit for me anyway.
 
Wasnt quite expecting such comments...

Theres a couple of points id like to make here, I only said I wanted to do domestic work, no intention of ever doing anything other than that.

llandrillospark - I have got "proper recognised City & Guilds qualifications" thanks. You also say "tendering for a contract you wouldn't have a chance against city & guilds guys", I have got C&G, plus I am never going to tender for anything as I am doing domestic work only in my spare time.

No I am not ex MOD, I am a 30 year old who has run a successful datacomms and Internet business for the last 12 years, built from nothing, which now turns over £500k+ per year. So yes I am spending my own money on this.

I am not suggesting people with years of experience may have seen more things and know more, but at the end of the day, we all have to start somewhere. You could turn it around and say someone who has done electrical work and successfully for 20 years who is equally as good as you make out, then does a 5 week course to get the quals to get NIC etc, then you call him a cowboy for doing a 5 week course. I agree someone who has been in the business for years has more experience, but come on, how much brain power does it take to change consumer units etc, really, its hardly rocket science.

Ill list my qualifications for you to entertain yourself with.
City & Guilds Level 3 Award 2377-22 - in the In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment
City & Guilds Level 3 Award 2377-32 - in Management for the Maintenance of Electrical Equipment
City & Guilds Level 3 Award 4141-02 - in Electrical Installation Work within a Domestic Dwelling
City & Guilds Level 3 Award 4141-03 - in Fundamental Electrical Science and Technology for Installation Work
City & Guilds Level 3 Award 2382-12 - in The Requirements for Electrical Installations BS 7671: 2008
City & Guilds Level 2 Award 2392-10 - in Fundamental Inspection, Testing and Initial Verification
City & Guilds Level 3 VRQ Part P Building Regulations
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City & Guilds Level 2 Award 3667-02 - in Copper & Fibre Communications Cabling in an Internal / External Environment
City & Guilds Level 3 Award 3667-03 - in Designing & Planning Communications Networks, Internal and Underground Environments
Fibre Optic Association Certified Engineer
Fibre Optic Industry Association Accreditation
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CCIE - Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert
CCNA - Cisco Certified Network Associate
CCNP - Cisco Certificate Network Professional
CompTIA Network+
CompTIA Server+
CompTIA PDI+
CompTIA A+
CompTIA Security+
CompTIA Project+
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UKATA Category B - Non Licenced Asbestos Remover
CITB - Health, Safety & Environment Test for Managers & Professionals

Ok and top of this im about to do the City & Guilds Level 3 2394 & 2395, once I have done these, ill also do the 2396 as well, just to top it off.

And no, I cannot do " PLCs Motor Control" whatever that is, because i do DOMESTIC ONLY.

Engineer54 - Your comment of "what do you call ''structured cabling experience''", well I have owned a data comms business for 12 years, and proficient in fusion splicing and do structred cabling in peoples homes and businesses on a weekly basis. I am extremely competent in IT and data cabling. I am not an idiot.

The only reason i wanted to do these electrical courses was for my own satisfaction and also do do domestic electrical work in my own time as a change of scene when I feel like it.

I think the thing here is, theres a lot of people who did it the old fashioned way who yes, no doubt are good, but equally dont appreciate people like myself who also do a bloody good job of things, coming along having done a 5 week course stealing their business and under cutting them. At the end of the day, the world has changed and how things happen, the way you become a domestic installer now, is to do a 5 week course. yes they might well be easy and teach you how to pass an exam, but at the end of the day, I have a bit of paper that says i can do it, i get work, do a good job and people are happy.

Even my neighbour who did it the old fashioned way has said I can rewire his dads bungalow this year and sign it off as i have all the kit and Part P etc, he has no kit any more and cannot sign it off. And also, my uncle, he replaced my father in laws consumer unit and various other things 18 months ago, and he has been doing it for 35 years and qualified etc, he is a cowboy, left a total wiring mess. Just because someone says they have been doing something for years does not mean they will make a better job of something.

Rant over...
 
Just to add, I think people who did apprenticeships years ago just feel thats the ONLY way to become a sparky, thats it, no other option, its like saying if you want to do it now, you have missed the band waggon.
 
LOL

The only ones relevant to the industry that carry any weight are listed below:-

City & Guilds Level 3 Award 2382-12 - in The Requirements for Electrical Installations BS 7671: 2008
City & Guilds Level 2 Award 2392-10 - in Fundamental Inspection, Testing and Initial Verification

You can forget the rest...

So lets get this straight.....you got no City & Guilds 2330 levels 2 or 3 or/an 2356 so basically you have no underpinning knowledge and/or training then.

God help us

 
well just read what people have said, maybe FIXITELECTRICAL, you should have said a little about yourself 1st before you put question
think they just jumped the gun on you,

but best courses to do are college ones then you get ex of the tutors
 
In Ireland you have to do an apprenticeship or a adult apprenticeship no 2 ways about it, 4 years time served money **** at start but knowledge gained , 3 years on site experience domestic commercial industrial worl, 6 months college 6 months training centre, 12 exams in total throughout the four years
 
I'm at a total loss here!! You say you have a successful business turning over 500K a year and your taking a know nothing domestic course?? The mind boggles!! lol!!
 
Yes because I want to do something else in my spare time having done the same thing for 12 years.

I dont see why I should spend thousands extra and months of training for someone to tell me how to do domestic work which frankly anyone and most unqualified people can do. yes if i wanted to do commercial work then yes I would do the proper route, but im not.
 
Yes because I want to do something else in my spare time having done the same thing for 12 years.

I dont see why I should spend thousands extra and months of training for someone to tell me how to do domestic work which frankly anyone and most unqualified people can do. yes if i wanted to do commercial work then yes I would do the proper route, but im not.
hang fire a minute here fella.....you state here you don`t want to do commercial work....yet you no doubt construct data systems within such premises..
i mean eh?
 
You best get your tin hat on or just jog on because you have just totally disrespected hundreds of proper electricians with that last statement saying anybody can do domestic work.

I hope you fail miserably
 
So your 30 years of age and ran a successful data coms company for 12 years. So you were an entrepreneur at 18 pmsl.....
 
Have you never fancied a change of scene in your life? I guess not... Im only doing DI work for fun / hobby more than anything.
well we see and hear about a lot of `hobby electricians` in here....and sometimes were even treated to pics of their handywork....
well you go right ahead but no doubt when you`v passed your `course` (lol) course it wont be long before your coming back in here asking about how to go about this n that (install)....
take note boys...
 
I'm going to be totally honest and blatantly frank with you, ...I don't believe a word of your long post!! I've been around long enough to have heard just about every story in the book!! Nothing your saying rings sanely true, especially, the only interested in domestic work and the part/spare time bit!!

Stick to running in data comms wiring etc, you haven't got a clue about electrical installations and even less about installation fault finding!!
 
Have you never fancied a change of scene in your life? I guess not... Im only doing DI work for fun / hobby more than anything.

I have forgotten more than you will ever learn fella and there are others here who have forgotten more than I will ever know, IMO an Electrical Installation whether Domestic, Commercial, Industrial or other is something which needs real skill and quality to carry out correctly and successfully, there will always be various levels of skill throughout the Industry, but proper training is invaluable, never assume Domestic work is easy just because you think it is, saying for Fun is quite appalling and ridiculous, it is confirmed, you are a clown end of
 

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