Immersion heater element replacement.

[wsoppitt]

Evening guys and girls, just a quick question. When asked to look at a faulty immersion heater , do you suggest a plumber ( likely to be faulty element) or do you take a look, test then advise that they need a plumber when it is a faulty element and charge a call out for testing or do you take on the plumbing aspect of the job and change the element yourself. The reason I ask is that I have been asked to look at an immersion heater that has stopped working, likely to need replacement element, dont want to suggest a plumber incase it's not, also wouldn't want to charge incase it is. What are your views.

 

[mattg4321]

They can do one if they think I'll be getting a license. If asked anything I have in my van won't be waste. Cardboard will be reused at home for gardening, old light fittings will be plant pots etc. I'm also someone who likes to reuse crisp packets for storing things in How can anything possibly be waste if I'm going to use it! Theres a fine line between a bag of rubble and a bag of ballast. I might need that bag of rubble to build the levels up in my garden for a shed base.

 

[Midwest]

They can do one if they think I'll be getting a license. If asked anything I have in my van won't be waste. Cardboard will be reused at home for gardening, old light fittings will be plant pots etc. I'm also someone who likes to reuse crisp packets for storing things in How can anything possibly be waste if I'm going to use it! Theres a fine line between a bag of rubble and a bag of ballast. I might need that bag of rubble to build the levels up in my garden for a shed base.

Have a read of this link then, and tell me what you think. I think its nonsense, but it appears some bodies have a different view.

Decide if a material is waste or not: general guide (updated version of part 2 of original full document) - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/legal-definition-of-waste-guidance/decide-if-a-material-is-waste-or-not#identify-when-waste-rules-apply

 

[mattg4321]

In the unlikely event I get pulled over by one of these Nazis they better be ready for me to argue that I will be using anything in my van! They can't change the definition of a word to suit themselves.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I have only been away for one night , read this post is gone from at replacement element to shifting s88t ,next you will start saying what marigold gloves you put one ,I like the pink ones goes with my eyes .

 

[Midwest]

I have only been away for one night , read this post is gone from at replacement element to shifting s88t ,next you will start saying what marigold gloves you put one ,I like the pink ones goes with my eyes .

P off buz. Remember you are only on day release.

 

[Midwest]

They can do one if they think I'll be getting a license. If asked anything I have in my van won't be waste. Cardboard will be reused at home for gardening, old light fittings will be plant pots etc. I'm also someone who likes to reuse crisp packets for storing things in How can anything possibly be waste if I'm going to use it! Theres a fine line between a bag of rubble and a bag of ballast. I might need that bag of rubble to build the levels up in my garden for a shed base.

As an aside, what do you do with all your rubbish that you generate from your work (not aimed just at yourself)?

 

[SparkyChick]

I was advised by my NAPIT assessor to obtain the lower tier waste carrier licence. The reasons... councils in my area have been known to send staff out in unmarked cars and have them park up near wholesalers who do things like recycle old tubes.

When a tradie rocks up with old tubes, they observe them entering with them and leaving without them. They then issue them a ticket.

The advice was... go to a job with a full unopened reel of cable, leave with a partial reel... the partial reel is classed as waste from that job and they can have you and yes, your lunch rubbish also classes as waste.

In essence with the lower tier licence you can take away any rubbish you created... parts boxes, plastic wrapping, partial reels of cables, even your off cuts and cable strippings. But you take bits of their wall away for example if you've been chasing, or bits of plasterboard... and you could be had for transporting waste illegally.

It's bureaucracy gone mad. The most annoying thing for me is I live in Newport Council's area. I recently ditched my car and got a van... now I can't even take my own household waste to the tip because they don't allow vans, so I'm looking at paying around £40 (minimum charge) to get rid of my own rubbish. But take a drive around the lanes (I live near the coast road that runs between Newport and Cardiff - at the Cardiff end there is a travellers camp and they are buying up land along the coast road heading ever closer to my part of the world) and you'll find numerous fly tipping sites. Drove past a shed load of what looked like asbestos boarding the other day and this is happening all the time. The council clean it up and a few days later there's more and as has been pointed out... we get screwed over because of our lunch wrapper... it's bloody wrong.

 

[GBDamo]

As an aside, what do you do with all your rubbish that you generate from your work (not aimed just at yourself)?

For me all waste goes back to the office where we have suitable skips.

The exception being tubes which go to the bins at wholesalers.

Don't even bother with scrap.

 

[Marvo]

....all waste transported needs to be accompanied by a duty of care/waste transfer note, detailing type and source of waste, tipping site etc...........All records need to be kept for 5years blah blah

I'm not sure if you guys are joking sometimes....please tell me you are.

 

[SparkyChick]

I'm not sure if you guys are joking sometimes....please tell me you are.

No, we're being entirely serious unfortunately

Welcome to the UK The green and bureaucratic land

 

[buzzlightyear]

As an aside, what do you do with all your rubbish that you generate from your work (not aimed just at yourself)?

I leave the waste S88T ---- their on the job like fluorescent tubes and fittings. if it is the customers I tell them its yours, if you want me to take it will cost ££££. I take it home and transfer to my rolls Royce and take it in to land fill skips that's two fingers up to home land security .

 

[sparksfly]

I also have the lower tier waste carrier licence advised to by my assessor. A local carpenter had no previous issues to drop off his own waste, until he had sign writing on his van...was banned from the site along with legal threats.

I think I might Van Wrap to disguise it as a car with "windows" ....so when they look in they will see empty seats I don't have....and maybe an immersion heater element that just lost its way.

 

[Octopus]

do you need a waste carriers licence to take rubbish from your elderly parents house to the dump?

 

[Midwest]

For me all waste goes back to the office where we have suitable skips.

The exception being tubes which go to the bins at wholesalers.

Did you not read SparkyChicks #47. Different areas, might have different enforcement, but the same rules apply (England & Wales).

 

[Des 56]

I found some of the attitudes and posts on this thread very hypocritical
What would be the point in making laws or regulations if no attempt was ever made to enforce those laws or regulations

The same ones on here bemoaning the councils trying to enforce the waste management regulations (designed to improve all our lives)they are the very same who grump and groan because their precious Part P ( electricians are a special breed) building regs section is not enforced

 

[buzzlightyear]

Do you need a license to take you elderly person to the dump ,no murd.just take them thier and they find their way home.

 

[DPG]

Agree with Des56 above.

Also, I remember the times many years ago when there weren't so many rules and regulations in place at the local tips. And normal householders could barely get in as they were always full of tradespeople in their transit vans dumping trade rubbish for free. Or should I say at the expense of the taxpayer.

Remember, your local 'tip' is a household waste centre.

 

[mattg4321]

I found some of the attitudes and posts on this thread very hypocritical
What would be the point in making laws or regulations if no attempt was ever made to enforce those laws or regulations

The same ones on here bemoaning the councils trying to enforce the waste management regulations (designed to improve all our lives)they are the very same who grump and groan because their precious Part P ( electricians are a special breed) building regs section is not enforced

I dont't agree with the way the law is written, hence I am no hypocrite. This is bureaucracy gone mad. The law could've been worded to avoid this ridiculous burden on small business and hit the fly tipping scum it's surely intended for.

However, after reading your opinions on numerous things on other threads I'm not sure our political views will ever align. We're going to have to agree to disagree with the methods to get towards what I'm sure are shared goals.

 

[Des 56]

I dont't agree with the way the law is written, hence I am no hypocrite. This is bureaucracy gone mad. The law could've been worded to avoid this ridiculous burden on small business and hit the fly tipping scum it's surely intended for.

However, after reading your opinions on numerous things on other threads I'm not sure our political views will ever align. We're going to have to agree to disagree with the methods to get towards what I'm sure are shared goals.

I don' give two hoots about your estimation of my posts or my political views neither do I care or give a damn about agreeing with anything you post.

 

[Midwest]

Ok thats that then.

 

[GBDamo]

I found some of the attitudes and posts on this thread very hypocritical
What would be the point in making laws or regulations if no attempt was ever made to enforce those laws or regulations

The same ones on here bemoaning the councils trying to enforce the waste management regulations (designed to improve all our lives)they are the very same who grump and groan because their precious Part P ( electricians are a special breed) building regs section is not enforced

Des, the point is the law was passed to tackle certain behaviours namely fly tipping and metal theft.

In order to do this they bring in new regulations and paperwork to comply with.

The metal thieves and fly tippers still steal and fly tip with little chance of getting caught.

This is because the enforcers are sat outside wholesalers ticketing people for safely disposing of items in the designated bins, a system that not only was perfectly acceptable it still is.

The new crime is not following procedure. They are criminalising the method not the end result.

It is morally abhorrent.

 

[GBDamo]

Agree with Des56 above.

Also, I remember the times many years ago when there weren't so many rules and regulations in place at the local tips. And normal householders could barely get in as they were always full of tradespeople in their transit vans dumping trade rubbish for free. Or should I say at the expense of the taxpayer.

Remember, your local 'tip' is a household waste centre.

Different issue but one I agree with ultimately although a royal PITA.

 

[Dave OCD]

No harm in asking wholesaler to take old tubes back to their recycling skip for you when they deliver to your home, and I tend to put lunch rubbish in customers bin.

 

[Des 56]

Its nice to get a reply that focuses on the perceived facts

That is instead of personal insult from a n other, (who had little or no useful contribution to the debate)

Thank you for your explanation GBDamo

 

[GBDamo]

Its nice to get a reply that focuses on the perceived facts

That is instead of personal insult from a n other, (who had little or no useful contribution to the debate)

Thank you for your explanation GBDamo

Cheers Des, it’s causing me no end of bother.

Much of my work is reactive maintenance, not all off which is electrical, but on any day I can change up to a hundred lamps across many sites. Each of these sites now requires a waste transfer note completing and a receipt from the wholesalers for disposal.

Wholesalers never used to mind you dumping lamps even if you didn’t purchase the replacemens from them. Now they have to tally sales with disposals and are less keen to take them if you ask for a receipt.

It is such poorly drafted law and poorly enforced.

 

[mattg4321]

If you took what I said as a personal insult then I can only apologise for the misunderstanding. Things can often be taken the wrong way on forums.

Our views on a lot of things seem to be very different, no need to fall out over it though

 

[sparksfly]

and so it was to be.....fate took the little immersion by the hand and walked off into the sunset only to be faced with a large sign
"NO FLY TIPPING, NO RETURNING MORE THAN ONCE A MONTH, WE ARE ONLY OPEN ONE DAY EVERY THREE WEEKS, NO VANS"........the little immersion took off it's size 7 Vans and just folded.