Latest on the court challenge!!!

[solarmio]

Bad news for the solar industry but one good thing may come out of it that arrogant p***k from ploughcroft may go out of business :stooge_moe:

 

[Somecamel]

From now on I'm going to try and be more positive

It surely can't get any worse than this and the general consensus is to go and sell.

I've getting off my moral high ground and accepting that some-things you can't change.

21p here I come- btw how the ---- is someone near to me selling a 4Kw for £6999 inc VAT!?!?!?!

 

[moggy1968]

because he's selling badly installed Sxxx!!!

 

[bigring]

From now on I'm going to try and be more positive

It surely can't get any worse than this and the general consensus is to go and sell.

I've getting off my moral high ground and accepting that some-things you can't change.

21p here I come- btw how the ---- is someone near to me selling a 4Kw for £6999 inc VAT!?!?!?!

Been out on a couple of appointments this week".................there's still interest out there, but as you've said, there's still idiots quoting ridiculously low prices?....."?????? When will the public learn ?you only get wot you pay for"...........if you pay mickey mouse money.........you get mickey mouse

 

[dansk]

desperate times call for desperate measures, it only turnover not profit.

 

[Somecamel]

Turnover is Vanity, Profit is sanity

 

[bigring]

Turnover is Vanity, Profit is sanity

Ditto how can anyone survive without profit

 

[FB.]

Ditto how can anyone survive without profit

I guess that any company offering not-for-profit installations is hoping that by undercutting everyone else they can at least get a few more contracts signed and keep their fitters in a job until the government stalling tactics come to an end.
I think that after much stalling the government will lose and have to reinstate the 43p - but by the time it happens, it will be March and there will be a last-minute panic.
Being such a late end to legal action will mean a very limited number of installations between December and April, so the government virtually achieved its objective of minimising further 43p FiT installations, so the 21p FiT proposal will probably then be affordable throughout 2012.

 

[pjcomp]

What are you all complaining about - according to this bit of spam - sorry, marketing information - that's just arrived in my inbox, customers are out there gagging for it

Solar Installations more popular since Tariff furore

The recent FiT reductions have done nothing to quell homeowners' appetite for installing solar panels.

OK?

PJ

 

[Somecamel]

I used to buy a few leads from the these companies in particular one called service magic.

I checked my account yesterday with them to see how many new leads they had since Dec 12th.....

You guessed it

 

[SibertSolar]

Responding to a question from BusinessGreen a spokeswoman for DECC said it was safe for solar firms to assume the current rate would not fall below 21p per kWh. "The tariff rates for PV installations will not fall below the proposed levels (e.g. 21p for the less than or equal to 4kW band) for systems with an eligibility date between 12th December 2011 and 31st March 2012," she said in an emailed response.

Government clarifies solar feed-in tariff rate as industry uncertainty escalates - 18 Jan 2012 - News from BusinessGreen

 

[solarcat]

Still no clarity on whether the 21p minimum FIT will last 25 years?

 

[The Launderer]

Still no clarity on whether the 21p minimum FIT will last 25 years?

The 25 years has never been in doubt.

Forum members should bear in mind that the public visit this site and raising questions that have never really been an issue can only contribute to general lack of confidence within the industry.

The Government has a commitment to pay the FIT rate for 25 years for solar PV. Its never been on any current agenda to change that.

 

[solarcat]

The Launderer, could you pls provide us with links to written documents confirming this please? I apologize for appearing unsure about it, but I believe I am not the only one in this forum...

 

[The Launderer]

The Launderer, could you pls provide us with links to written documents confirming this please? I apologize for appearing unsure about it, but I believe I am not the only one in this forum...

Took me 2 minutes.

Never been any suggestion apart from some prophets of doom on this forum and elsewhere suggesting the 25 years is in doubt. Not saying that wont change in the future but you can have confidence that jobs being fitted now will get at least 21p (43.3p until 31st March ) for 25 years index linked and tax free.


UK Government proposed changes to solar PV Feed-in-Tariffs / Financial incentives / Generate your own energy / Home (United Kingdom) - Energy Saving Trust
[h=2]How will the proposals affect me?[/h]

The proposals could affect anyone who is considering installing solar PV or has installed solar PV but has not yet applied for Feed-in Tariffs. This is how the proposed new tariffs would apply:​

Eligibility date	Tariff band/rate
Before 12th December 2011	Higher tariff for full 25 years of support
12th December 2011 – 31st March 2012 inclusive	Higher tariff until 31st March 2012 Lower tariff from 1st April 2012 for the remainder of the 25 years' support
1st April 2012 onwards	Lower tariff for full 25 years of support

 

[mdovey]

There is nothing in the consultation document which DECC published on the 31/10/2011 (Comprehensive Review Phase 1: Consultation on Feed-in Tariffs for solar PV - Department of Energy and Climate Change) proposing any change to the 25 year commitment.

 

[solarcat]

Is it me or the Government has not yet taken a decision after the consultation? I though we need to wait until 9th Feb the latest to hear how exactly the FiT scheme has been reviewed?
Are you saying that we can all sell sub 4 kW systems at 21p now?

 

[solarcat]

Is it me or the Government has not yet taken a decision after the consultation? I though we need to wait until 9th Feb the latest to hear how exactly the FiT scheme has been reviewed?
Are you saying that we can all sell sub 4 kW systems at 21p now?

 

[mdovey]

They have not made a decision yet, but even this bunch of clowns wouldn't try to introduce a substantive change (such as changing the 25 years) which wasn't in the consultation.

What DECC have announced is that what ever FIT rate they decide to introduce and whatever eligibility date they decide upon (or is forced upon them by the courts). Any installation between the 12 December and the 31 March will receive a FIT rate no lower than 21p (and possibly higher - but we will not know that for a few weeks).

 

[michaelwr]

The 25 years has never been in doubt.

Forum members should bear in mind that the public visit this site and raising questions that have never really been an issue can only contribute to general lack of confidence within the industry.

The Government has a commitment to pay the FIT rate for 25 years for solar PV. Its never been on any current agenda to change that.

Being a confused member of the public I have enough questions...

Questions #424-26 re: If Scotland gets independance.....

#424 Will Kim Jong-Salmond plan to cancel scheme and screw up my pension plans?
#425 If it continues will I have to move to that Scottish (Spanish) Power bunch?
#426 Will it be paid in worthless Euro's?

25 years now does seem a very long time

 

[solarsavings]

25yrs always look further away looking forward, strange then it seems so short looking back

 

[The Launderer]

Being a confused member of the public I have enough questions...

Questions #424-26 re: If Scotland gets independance.....

#424 Will Kim Jong-Salmond plan to cancel scheme and screw up my pension plans?
#425 If it continues will I have to move to that Scottish (Spanish) Power bunch?
#426 Will it be paid in worthless Euro's?

25 years now does seem a very long time

I haven't considered that question before. The last poll I seen suggested that less than 1 in 4 Scots were in favour so its probably not worth worrying about. Having said that I have just sent a letter to my SNP Scottish MP and asked her the question. Don't hold your breath for a quick answer.

 

[moggy1968]

do we have any clarity on the rates for installs over 4kW?

 

[morpheus75]

I rang REA today and they confirmed once again 21p for 25 years until march 31st indexed link. No indication of any rate for systems above 4kw. Interestingly though the advisor i spoke to seemed fairly certain that DECC will probably win the appeal?
Going forwards 21p indexed linked is what i will be advising potential clients with a bonus of 43p if appeal is lost, but will make very clear the current situation. To be honest there is not a lot else that can be said or done until we here the outcome.


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[FB.]

Interestingly though the advisor i spoke to seemed fairly certain that DECC will probably win the appeal?

In 1997, Gordon Brown told us that he'd put an end to boom and bust; I wouldn't believe everything that government puppets have to say.

Although I agree that the FiT was too generous for too long and allowed rent-a-roofers to skim-off an easy living; I also believe that although the courts will sympathise with the government, the courts will find it difficult to rule in the government's favour and I expect the 43p to be reinstated until April but only after a long, drawn-out series of appeals to deter as many as possible from jumping on the 43p bandwagon.

 

[moggy1968]

every government for the last 30 years has promised to get away from boom and bust, they're all lying wxxxxxs

 

[SRE]

Announcement due this afternoon about dates for new Fit payments from DECC. Seems that 3rd March is going to be the default date if the judges deem 12/12 unlawful.

 

[SRE]

Feed-in Tariff Update - Department of Energy and Climate Change

Is it me - "Today we’re putting in place a contingency that will bring a 21p rate into effect from April for installations from 3 March. " - Ehhh??????

It is me - I guess they mean the reduced rate for installs between 3rd March and April will be 21p after the the 1st April - men in white coats rapidly approaching ......​

 

[FIT-PV]

Wtf..... :90:

 

[Noddy67]

So Fudge is the new black, and 3/3 is the new 12/12. There seems to be more joined up thinking in their dates than their thinking.

Al