PIR or EICR...

robd · Oct 5, 2011

Evening all, got a couple of PIR's coming up on some commercial premises so two questions:

1. Is anyone using the EICR's yet?
and failing that
2. does anyone know the NIC reference for the periodic test and inspection forms for ordering as all I've got are domestic forms so I'll need to be ordering some.

Many thanks

Richard Burns · Oct 5, 2011

I am still doing PIRs because I haven't got the paperwork sorted yet for EICRs, just too lazy until it is required!

Deleted member 26818 · Oct 5, 2011

I've done just the one EICR.
Using the forms available for download on here.
Don't try to EMail them to anyone, as they don't lock.

Risteard · Oct 6, 2011

BS 7671:2008 (2011) states that it's intended to come into effect on January 1st, 2012. Unlike some other releases of the IEE Wiring Regulations it does not state that either it or the previous edition can be used between whatever dates, so technically would it be correct to conduct an Electrical Installation Condition Report before 1st January, 2012?

Deleted member 26818 · Oct 6, 2011

The Regulations require that Certification and Reports be based upon the model forms.
To my mind that would suggest that you can design your own Certificates, Reports and Schedules, and that they should as a minimum require the the information required in the model forms.
For instance, the pre-amendment model form for a schedule of test results, only has one box to record operating times for RCDs, whereas the new amended forms have two boxes, one for 1x and the other for 5x. Similar to the pre-amendment NICEIC schedules of test results.
As long as the required information in the EICRs is at least that as for the current PIR model forms, I don't see it as a problem which version is used.

robd · Oct 7, 2011

Ok cheers fellas, reckon I'll stick with the PIR's for now until I've got a better grasp on the ins and outs of the EICR's.

telectrix · Oct 7, 2011

suppose january 2012 will mean i ncan no longer write my certs. on the back of a beer mat. bugger.

Flying Ninja · Oct 7, 2011

Hi there, does anyone know what the "location reference" is on the new EICR.

Deleted member 26818 · Oct 7, 2011

Where abouts is it?

SirKit Breaker · Oct 7, 2011

telectrix said:
suppose january 2012 will mean i ncan no longer write my certs. on the back of a beer mat. bugger.

That means you will have to follow my example then Tel and use a bloody smoke packet.

NEZ2490 · Feb 21, 2012

Hi there what is the Location Referance on the new NIC EIC EICR Thanks

NEZ2490 · Feb 21, 2012

Flying Ninja said:
Hi there, does anyone know what the "location reference" is on the new EICR.

Did you find an answer

Goody · Feb 21, 2012

spinlondon said:
I've done just the one EICR.
Using the forms available for download on here.
Don't try to EMail them to anyone, as they don't lock.

Can't you convert them into PDF files once you have done them. This would come handy -> www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/writer.asp

regshunter · Feb 22, 2012

NAPIT have lost all credibility for me, all the other regulatory bodies were ready for the BS 7671 amendments to come into effect at the start of this year, as was I. NAPIT and their desktop software however, were not.

No electronic EICR forms, no apology, no service any more... I want my money back!

I have given them ample time to respond to my queries and have heard nothing.

It's the same old story, if you choose the “sales" option from the telephone menu your call gets answered within 5 rings, anything that involves technical support takes ages.

I used to be 100% behind this organisation... Well, not any more...

Deleted member 26818 · Feb 22, 2012

I think you'll find that the other scheme members have the same problems with their registration bodies.
I know the NICEIC are stating that the PIR forms will be acceptable until June this year.

regshunter · Feb 22, 2012

As far as I understand it, the regs say EICR'S only from the 1st Jan 2011, I spoke to NICEIC and was assured that their software had been updated already. Do you think this is not so? Either way, I'm going to give Tysoft software a go for now.