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siwarry

It would seem the discounts have now started.. Just had a flyer through from Tescos saying that any system booked and fitted after the 12th December deadline will be offered a 25% discount meanting that their 4KW system is now only £8495.00
 
SERIOUS though is it worth competing !! how can u get kit plus survey/wind uplift calcs health and safety all that stuff (as in the BOOK) done ! then have buying power of tesco????????????? there is no way im going to do all this work! take all the risk of install/roof for next 5/10yrs for £1500 i think its OVER LADS(about 4months after it STARTED) for me:(
 
Don't forget though, a lot people will be seriously hacked off with tesco for promising installs and not delivering. We, on the other hand have pulled forward all of our booked installations and will - just - have them installed in time. OK, we're not going to make a fortune and we're definintely not competing with tesco but if we've been to quote where tesco have been before us we've almost always got the job even though we've been more expensive.

There is still a value to quality service and many of our customers will pay for that.
 
and what panels will they be using? the cheapest crapest panels they can get their hands on with their buying power. Thats how their opticians work (alledgedly!!) I have familly in the optical business (including within tesco).
Bear in mind what they do to the farmers and sub for them at your peril!!!
personally, I won't even try and compete, cheap rubbish isn't the market I am in.
I worked in the optical business (retail management and supply) for some years in the independant sector. the type of customers the multiples took weren't the kind of price driven customers we wanted. we offered quality products and services and the multiples bothered us not at all (apart from making us look good!!)
would you buy a £10000 technically sophisticated product that requires a high level of technical expertise to design and install from a supermarket, I wouldn't.
 
Did anyone take a look at the contracts to install for Tesco etall.I did out of curiosity from an email inquiry and you basically, organise scaffold, install and any issues with client, liaise with Tesco's middleman, take all the flak and none of the kudos, take all the liability, all the risk, all the MCS documentation, all the insurance cover, electrical certs, CRB check the whole shebang and for what?
a wage if that a basic wage..
Just who are the monkeys they have working for them? I simply laughed and said thanks but I couldn't answer for laughing.
 
when I was in an electrical franchise we looked at a contract with a well known supermarket chain (not tesco). there last 2 subbies had gone bust. we didn't take the contract.
The usual format with these companies is they shower you with roses, you upscale your operation until your commited to them, then they start to turn the screw on you. they don't care if you go bust, they just move onto the next guy.

just out of interest what were the rates like?
 
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[TD]Number of Panels[/TD]
[TD]Total Installation Fee (ex. VAT)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]1 - 8[/TD]
[TD]£1,200.00[/TD]
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[TD]9 - 11[/TD]
[TD]£1,300.00[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]12 - 13[/TD]
[TD]£1,400.00[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]14 - 15[/TD]
[TD]£1,500.00[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]16 - 17[/TD]
[TD]£1,600.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18 - 23[/TD]
[TD]£1,700.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]£1,800.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]For every additional 4 panels[/TD]
[TD]£100.00[/TD]
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Above prices to include survey, design, install and commissioning of system along with up to 2-storeys of scaffolding being provided by the Contractor per property. Any additional scaffolding requirements will be chargeable separately to the customer.

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yep, thats taking the pee!!!
so they are too idle to even get themselves MCS assessed.
for all that agro I'd want a lot more than that, without the scaffold!!!
 
To be honest, that rate is surprisingly good. They can't possibly be offering that after the FITs cut though.

I'll bet that the Tesco designed systems are throw it in and hope jobs. If you pitch them up against a properly designed system I bet they would fail dismally.
 
I had a quote from Tesco two months ago: 4kW of Sharp 250 + Diehl 3800 = £12,500

So no, they were not using crap cheap panels then (crap expensive ones maybe ... )

This was to be installed by G A S World L T D - Bristol, and the above explains why they wanted to add an additional £268 to the scaffolding as technically up to roof level is three lifts and they wanted to make a bit more money.

Same firm also fitted for M&S from whom I had the exact same quote.

As said this was two months ago, which seems an age ago now!
 
Given that scaffolding costs are £500 for most 2 storey houses where we are that's not a lot of money to pay 2 roofers, a sparky, someone to assess the job in the first place (which isn't paid for if the job doesn't come through), design the job - (although I understand it's more of a "this is what we do what can we match with your roof" type approach) office admin, insurance and maintenance of MCS standards.


Our overheads alone cost us £500/job, pay for scaffolding @ £500 - ooohhh there's loads left to pay everyone and have a party too. A chimps tea party maybe :angry_smile:
 
I originally received a quote off Tesco's for a 4KW system 2 months ago to see how much they would charge, It was £11,000. Then realised that i wasnt dealing with Tescos it was a 3rd party company that then allocated a local firm to do the job...That means 3 companies involved from start to finish..

If anything did go wrong it would be the MCS fitter that would be 1st port of call then the intermediary then Tesco's. The flier i received came 2 days ago offering me a 25% discount which is actually £8250.00 bargain!
 
Scaffold quotes I had for my pv install on a normal gable-ended 2-storey house with clear access were £300 and £425 incl VAT and incl Handrails up the gable ends, both from firms I have used before for roofing/extentions.

The installer went with his own scaffolder who he said was less than £300.
 
Yep, if you're in an area where there's plenty of scaffolders and no work you might well get those prices, which would leave you with £500 ish to pay for installer costs. Its hardly a fortune when a roofer costs £150/day is it?

Unfortunately our scaffolders are the cheapest where we work so we'd have to find another £200 just for that.
 
Having though about it, the price of the scaffold does make the price look a little on the low side.

Who has the responsibility for the structural survey?
 
25 years is a long time, things like no structural survey can come back to haunt you, the margins are more than slim, the only winner is Tesco.
 
got to agree with you there
they're awful to work for as well.
read a bit recently where they are forcing their agency staff to sign new contracts exempting them from the new agency workers rights.
 
my scaffolders charge £450/£500 but they turn up when i want!take it down when completed! simples !
 
I worked for Tesco years ago, if Gregory has his way i'll be back working there before long
 
mine charge 750, turn up late, put up wobbly scaffold with side poles resting on the roof where the panels need to go, uneven boards, unsafe ladders and unfixed toe boards, and don't take it down again when the customer want.
looking for new ones now but their all stacked out!!
 
lol well i think its a novelty being paid next day after invoice landing on door matt!!!! they normaly deal with builders!!!
 
Where are you based, Moggy?


mine charge 750, turn up late, put up wobbly scaffold with side poles resting on the roof where the panels need to go, uneven boards, unsafe ladders and unfixed toe boards, and don't take it down again when the customer want.
looking for new ones now but their all stacked out!!
 
Coming back to Tesco, does anyone know which panels and inverter they are offering for £8495?

If you install for Tesco, what happens about kit, they supply to you, you take to site? What about electrical gubbins... conduit, cable, clips, consumer units etc?

We carry our own scaffold system on the roofing van so those prices look more attractive to us. I don't think we'd sign up to install for Tesco but it's always interesting to go through the exercise and see if you could. We don't pay for CRB checks of all of our staff but tesco require that, does that mean the CRB check needs to be completely clear?
 
You also need significant customer protection insurance - quite a bit extra cost as I understand it. Kit is delivered to your premises for you to take to the customer. You provide the electrical conections etc and charge for anything non standard, that's why a lot of customers complain about the additional costs of non standard scaffolding, etxras for garage consumer etc etc
 
got to agree with you there
they're awful to work for as well.
read a bit recently where they are forcing their agency staff to sign new contracts exempting them from the new agency workers rights.

Just done an install for them none of this domestic stuff 144Kw roof mount went well and they were surprisingly good to work for !
 
Hi All

I am the CEO of Enact Energy, we manage the Tesco service. The price of £8495 for the system is very low but we are doing this to try and keep our installer network in business after the FiT drops in December. We have all been hit badly by this sudden change by DECC and we want to try and support the installers who have and who continue to support us.

Just as a point of clarification, we are MCS (and REAL) registered and issue the certificates ourselves, we design the systems and ship the full pack to our installers so they have less cash flow to manage. The contract you have is out of date and insurance levels have been reduced to a more reasonable level. Working under our umbrella may not be for you but for many the ready flow of leads is welcomed and our installers can also benefit from working on our Tesco heating and electrical contracts too. With Green Deal around the corner we will also be assisting our installer network to gain access to ECO funding and Green Deal finance if they are unable to do so directly.

Oh, and I agree scaffolders are a bloody pain!
 
Based on Tesco's current price of £12479 is £8495 not closer 30ish%?

If they were to drop the 2.5kw by 30% then I may be tempted.

Is it not likely this cost is temporary to pay off all the excess stock lying around?
 
trying to protect your installers, you mean like you do with the farmers, pushing them into loss on what the sell to you (and the other supermarkets)?
 

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