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Whatever they do, it'll just be another money spinner for the big boys. Do you think that they will ACTUALLY ask anyone at the coal face for a simple idea or two?
I see your point but really, ALL work involves testing and certification.
I want to see decent fines for householders that use non-notifying electricians and a good campaign to publicise it!
The Marx brothers, Laurel + Hardy and Part p ,3 of the most comical acts in history
My veiw differs a little with Kens
I believe all domestic installation should be open to any Tom Dick or Harry who thinks they can install (just as well,because installation monitoring is un enforceable)
The assurance of standards could be via the Pir
Make it mandatory for house sales
Make it thorough and make the issuing of a report exclusive to someone with the 2391 and PI insurance
Make that report compulsory to be logged with the government and get rid of all the schemes
No more visual con tricks
No more hoodwinked customers
No more Qs oversigning,just truthfull competent assessments that have teeth
If they are negative then, reduced charges or penalties at the point of sale,increased insurance etc
The Marx brothers, Laurel + Hardy and Part p ,3 of the most comical acts in history
My veiw differs a little with Kens
I believe all domestic installation should be open to any Tom Dick or Harry who thinks they can install (just as well,because installation monitoring is un enforceable)
The assurance of standards could be via the Pir
Make it mandatory for house sales
Make it thorough and make the issuing of a report exclusive to someone with the 2391 and PI insurance
Make that report compulsory to be logged with the government and get rid of all the schemes
No more visual con tricks
No more hoodwinked customers
No more Qs oversigning,just truthfull competent assessments that have teeth
If they are negative then, reduced charges or penalties at the point of sale,increased insurance etc
My emphasis should really have been on publicity to educate the public, surely there aren't many that haven't heard of CORGI or Gas Safe now?
It's taken years but people seem to understand that if gas is involved then a member of the above must be selected.
Maybe we could have such a system, almost licensing, that's what I'd like to see.
If they want you to be a member of a scam why do they make you jump through hoops and have to go through LABC first, who when asked tell you incorrect information with regards who is supposed to inspect nad test it
ad the biggest scam is for them to say it costs £190 to send a ex joiner or similar out to inspect electrical work
and they may have to send another electricia to inspect and test your work even though you are qualified especially all the guys who have more than enough experience and qualifications
the only time a person should have to notify building control is if they are DIY or have no qualifications
It was always my understanding that electrical work carried out to bs7671 included testing and inspection, whats all this 2391 all the time these days??????? 2391 used to be a more in depth knowledge of testing and inspecting but these days people seem to think you shouldnt even know what a a test probe is without having prior done some sort of college course- more expense(sighs)
Disgraceful charges, but without a final sign off on the property where's the options ?
A full PIR on sale ?
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House Insurance demanding a 10 yearly PIR from qualified person to continue insuring. Bearing that in mind the householder would dam well make sure that work was done by qualified/experienced people not just some chap from the pub. Your car insurance is invalid without an MOT, most people MOT their vehicles. It is unlikely that the sort of people who choose to live outside the law would own there own houses - the onus would then be on the landlord.
I doubt that too many people who own there own houses would risk there biggest asset by not insuring it.
good point, pushrod. the problem again is policing. without all sparks undertaking PIRs being registered like MOT garages.House Insurance demanding a 10 yearly PIR from qualified person to continue insuring. Bearing that in mind the householder would dam well make sure that work was done by qualified/experienced people not just some chap from the pub. Your car insurance is invalid without an MOT, most people MOT their vehicles. It is unlikely that the sort of people who choose to live outside the law would own there own houses - the onus would then be on the landlord.
I doubt that too many people who own there own houses would risk their biggest asset by not insuring it.
There will always be some people who try and get round the law, but i would think it would be a pretty stupid person who knowingly invalidated their house insurance (risking their biggest asset), especially when you know how any insurance company will use any excuse not to pay up. As you say centrally held data bases have largely removed the guy who would sell you an mot cert.No, they probably wouldn't, but your idealism is showing here..........
Realistically, if some geezer in the pub says he can supply the relevant paperwork for you to pass to your insurer for £50 or it's going to cost you £350 to get a full PIR, what are you going to do if you're fairly sure the £50 will get you by?
That was always the problem with MOT's too, until they started barcoding/databasing them - yet, there are still ways around that.
Anyone with half decent photoshop skills, and a clue about what figures are meant to be in the boxes will make a mint.
All these ideas make a fundamental mistake - in assuming that the homeowner actually give a damn WHO qualifies us, or WHAT bits of paper we pass on after the job. Most of them just want the shiny new light, or extra socket, and someone to bitch when it doesn't work right.
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There will always be some people who try and get round the law, but i would think it would be a pretty stupid person who knowingly invalidated their house insurance (risking their biggest asset), especially when you know how any insurance company will use any excuse not to pay up. As you say centrally held data bases have largely removed the guy who would sell you an mot cert.
The other thing that is needed is education through advertising. 35 years ago lots of people would drive after drinking - now days the percentages are much smaller, why? because of public awareness campaigns. The same has happened with gas safety - even the wife asked to see the repair man's corgi card a few years back!
a step in the right direction would be restricting sales of electrical equipment. we already have ID age requirements for cigs. and alcohol. why not have all qualified, competent sparks carry ID card proving that they are qualified/competent, similar to a JIB card. No card, No Sale.
but, surely, the loss in sales to joe public would be compensated by joe public calling us in and then us buying the gear they would have bought. i would not restrict the sale of faceplates, light fittings etc. as they are jobs which could be done DIY. as for the sheds, they make enough profit anyway. never seen b&q selling gas boilers
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but, surely, the loss in sales to joe public would be compensated by joe public calling us in and then us buying the gear they would have bought. i would not restrict the sale of faceplates, light fittings etc. as they are jobs which could be done DIY. as for the sheds, they make enough profit anyway. never seen b&q selling gas boilers
agree Ive been in a house fire and sprinklers would have saved more than the smoke dectectors that told me the house was on fire. and it would have give me time to get my disabled mother out without endangering me or my brother
a step in the right direction would be restricting sales of electrical equipment. we already have ID age requirements for cigs. and alcohol. why not have all qualified, competent sparks carry ID card proving that they are qualified/competent, similar to a JIB card. No card, No Sale.
cant see the problem myself, i think partp works perfectly
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never seen b&q selling gas boilers
No, perhaps not, but you do see Screwupfix selling them, and many small trade outlets too - the justification being that of course you'll get your local gas safe man to fit it.
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Interestingly, i was in screwfix today and was held up for ages as the guys in front of me couldn't prove that they were qualified gas safe or the company they were subcontracting for were registered. Obviously in the trade as they had a van outside with name on, but credit to them as they refused to sell the parts without some written proof. Must admit i was surprised as i thought they were going to say something like 'well bring your card in next time'. So, times they are a changin'
Is it just me or does anyone else think the only people who know about part p are us sparks ? Getting really bored of explaining it to clients who have never heard of it !! There was a B&Q ad a while back of a fella switching on his brand new cooker hood, " you can do it " well technically he shouldn't be doing it should he if he'd heard of part p.
Is it just me or does anyone else think the only people who know about part p are us sparks ? Getting really bored of explaining it to clients who have never heard of it !!
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