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Who are you with?

  • NICEIC (DI)

    Votes: 136 11.6%
  • NICEIC (AC)

    Votes: 228 19.4%
  • NAPIT

    Votes: 123 10.5%
  • ELECSA

    Votes: 110 9.4%
  • STROMA

    Votes: 78 6.6%
  • None

    Votes: 486 41.3%
  • ECA

    Votes: 49 4.2%
  • BSI

    Votes: 7 0.6%
  • Benchmark

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Select

    Votes: 20 1.7%

  • Total voters
    1,176

Taylortwocities

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Does FIET count?

Rowan
No.

The list is only those Competent Person Scheme Operators that have been authorised by Government to allow their members to self-certify that their work is compliant with Building Regulations. This means they meet strict entry requirements, their work is regularly assessed, demonstrating their ability and ongoing competence, and that it meets the correct standards.

IF your were an FIET, you would need to prostrate yourself in front of one of the CPS and ask if your qualifications are sufficient for you to become a member.

Having BEng (Hons) in Electrical and Electronic Engineering will give you the square root of F.All knowledge to undertake, for example, the rewire of a house.
 

ackbarthestar

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Voted just now..... NAPIT until I retire soonish ...... AC, Inspector, 3rd party inspector, rocket scientist.....

"Having BEng (Hons) in Electrical and Electronic Engineering will give you the square root of F.All knowledge to undertake, for example, the rewire of a house."

Both BSc and HND in electrical and electronics as there is no practical installation work and training...
 
Non and never have been. I served my time 38 years ago, I keep all my qualifications up to date and follow the regs why do I need to join any ??? they're all just clubs wanting a share of your hard earned profits.
 
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Adam W

So it appears 'none' has 'won' by a country mile. Has this information fulfilled a purpose other than stimulating conversation?
 
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Mumfi

None, never was and won't be now as I jacked it in, in 2014 to look after the wife (and partly as there were too many contractors looking for too little work and it was a rapid race to the bottom, spent more time quoting fruitlessly and dealing with dingbats wanting everything yesterday for free than working)

Last 2 months though the house phone has been ringing every other day / everyday (try getting people to delist your number...near blooming impossible) with someone chasing a sparky. Seems more than a few have went back on the books, some others have got rumbled and probably work that was getting put off now needs done, not to mention landlords wanting to get stuff sorted for sale/tenant changeovers.

Will I go back to it...tempted but...going back to it, means grief from DWP (in terms of form filling for Carers Allowance) and a load of paperwork I don't want to get back into, not to mention chasing payments / muppets wanting to haggle the price down on completion / Public Sector parasites who consider any business "crooked" etc.

Methinks I'll stay as a carer...unless the phone starts ringing every other minute...then I might pick up the tools again...
 
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Mumfi

Hi all new to this site but some interesting opinions on registration. I'm not registered with any despite having been in the trade for over 40 years. I must admit that having been involved with the NIC in the capacity of a Qualifying manager,i was not impressed with them in the slightest and must say that they have become a very money orientated organization . I work mainly in the industrial sector so have no real use for them but recently had an engineer for the local authority request an NIC cert for some work saying that these were the only certs they were now accepting. I was obliged to tell him that as a public body he was transgressing EU competition laws by insisting on any specific bodys certs, there seems to be a great deal of confusion as to the roll of these bodies
 
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Adam W

A slightly more interesting poll would exclude those who don't do notifiable domestic work.
The cynic in me is saying this thread is nothing more than 'click bait'.
I predict another van-related poll is on it's way - people seem to love talking about their vans.
 
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Marshall Elec

Napit. Never had an issue with them really. Its who i have always been with. My only complaint is Joe Public don't know enough about it all. Letting agents like to ask if you are "NIC qualified", which irritates me as when i say "No, I'm with NAPIT" they look more than a little confused.
 
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Marshall Elec

Napit. Never had an issue with them really. Its who i have always been with. My only complaint is Joe Public don't know enough about it all. Letting agents like to ask if you are "NIC qualified", which irritates me as when i say "No, I'm with NAPIT" they look more than a little confused.
 
I'm with NICEIC but under the umbrella of my local authority (as an electrical contractor) so I don't actually pay the fee. Having said that I retire later this year and may just do the odd part time work. Possibly teaching electrical C & G at the local college which I've done before or maybe the odd electrical jobs to pick and choose from and forget all the problems of paying high fees/inconvenience of form filling, calibration of test instruments, updates et cetera et cetera and the list goes on. I feel sorry for all the young lads just starting out but that's just my opinion whatever the arguments are; both for and against.
What's betting that when we eventually BREXIT all the regs will change yet again.
 
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gregh7

I used to registered with NAPIT but since moving to New Zealand i am now a registered sparks out here. No organisations. We have a body that looks after us (EWRB) and all are trained to a very high level so as to be responsible for our own work. All our work is also signed off and new work will be signed off by a registered electrical inspector. Pretty good way of doing things tbh.
 
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Sinetronix

None. I'm not self employed. I'll sometimes sub for a mate for some pocket money if he needs, otherwise I work for a company in the controls/automation area. I came away from full time electrical installation some years ago, but get involved every now and then.
 
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Deleted member 9648

Sorry not been on here much of late, just too busy. NICEIC A/C.
 

Dan

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The cynic in me is saying this thread is nothing more than 'click bait'.
I predict another van-related poll is on it's way - people seem to love talking about their vans.
Click bait for what? It's not linking to anything. And it's nice to see what people use most. Newbies to the forum love seeing what the regulars use.

Not every thread that isn't a question about somebody's plug has an agenda.

The thread is full of way more useful posts than yours and theirs. If you don't want to contribute to it just go stick the kettle on or write a letter to somebody or something matey.

:gru:

I see the 4 threads you've posted during 2016 have lost traction. You one of those that has something to say in everybody else's thread but doesn't post their own?
 
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Tommy C

NICEIC AC, as they are the establishment and seem to be most recognised. Tried NAPIT for a couple of years inbetween, really lax inspections (not a great sign)- got fed up trying to explain it was an acceptable body to clients. Considering ECA to further our business.
 

Welchyboy1

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Stroma from this year, left NIC AC
The Stroma Dom/comm assessment I think is actually more thourough than the Nic


Ha!
 
Well guys and girls, let's see who you are registered with.
Im also a member of the EIT, a JIB registered installation electrician and Site Manager and currently employed by UK Power Networks on HV rail projects as project Engineer, HV switching, Document controller and asset manager
 
Not with anyone at the moment but just looking at which is my best option I am in scotland and just trying to start for myself and any info would be appreciated thanks
 
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lennyallover

Not with anyone at the moment but just looking at which is my best option I am in scotland and just trying to start for myself and any info would be appreciated thanks
Best option, in my humble opinion, don't join any, use green (unregistered) test sheets, these can be for install or periodical EICR tests. If the local authority is not satisfied that the testing or installation is correct they can ask for further work/tests to be done. These will be at local authority expense unless proof of negligence by installer/tester arises, expense will then be transferred to negligent party. If you're confident about your work, your testing is good, then this is the route to go. If you've got testing experience the local authority may have a copy of one or two you've completed, if so the certs will not be questioned, if not they'll visit job and take a look at the quality of work and everything being ok you will never see or hear from them again. The first green install cert I submitted I got a call, guy asks if he could come out and take a look, for peace of mind. Anytime I said. 20 mins later he turns up, sees me and sais, ffs, I ----in' knew I knew that name. I had worked for the guy several times in the past doing T&I in schools and municipal buildings . Well least I wont have to get my feet muddy now, went back to his car then shouted over, you're the 1st spark that's ever put in unregistered certs off their own back...do me a good one.. keep it to yourself, which of course I have.... er... well, until now anyway.
 

rolyberkin

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Best option, in my humble opinion, don't join any, use green (unregistered) test sheets, these can be for install or periodical EICR tests. If the local authority is not satisfied that the testing or installation is correct they can ask for further work/tests to be done. These will be at local authority expense unless proof of negligence by installer/tester arises, expense will then be transferred to negligent party. If you're confident about your work, your testing is good, then this is the route to go. If you've got testing experience the local authority may have a copy of one or two you've completed, if so the certs will not be questioned, if not they'll visit job and take a look at the quality of work and everything being ok you will never see or hear from them again. The first green install cert I submitted I got a call, guy asks if he could come out and take a look, for peace of mind. Anytime I said. 20 mins later he turns up, sees me and sais, ffs, I ****in' knew I knew that name. I had worked for the guy several times in the past doing T&I in schools and municipal buildings . Well least I wont have to get my feet muddy now, went back to his car then shouted over, you're the 1st spark that's ever put in unregistered certs off their own back...do me a good one.. keep it to yourself, which of course I have.... er... well, until now anyway.
This is not correct, if there is a current building control fee which has been paid you may be able to get away with this route as the inspection is part of the building control fee, however if they send an inspector and they find something wrong you or the client could end up with a bill. If there has not been a fee paid in respect of building work there must be prior notice to building control before you start work and there should be checks by building control during all three stages of work.

They will charge the house owner a fee (around £260) for notifiable work to be checked as above or if this is not notified a regularization fee after you have cleared off and they try and sell the house without the suitable documentation.

I have supplied certificates as part of a building control regime and you must notify them that you intend to do this prior to starting work. Probably just cheaper joining a scheme and notifying the work like the law says we should?!
 
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lennyallover

Well excuse me for not dotting i's and crossing T's. As this is an electricians forum I didn't think it necessary to say that reportable work, suprise, should be reported. I did say if they find anything wrong you will be liable but thanks for intimating I didn't, lets me know you didn't read the post properly.
 
In the chance of me making myself appear a bit thick, for those who are not with a Cps body, how do you lets say get temporary builders supplies with your local network supplier connected without an approved certificate, and issue a building control number to the builder/customer on a extension or new build, prior completion of works, which in many cases happens to me?. And then of course on completion of such works a new certificate is issued with a new BC number.
 

rolyberkin

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Prior to registering with a scheme I have always spoken to the local authority building control and stated that I would be undertaking the work and it would be under the building control notice, as @lennyallover has stated this shouldn't incur any cost as it has been paid for in the building control charge, at that point they may want proof of competence (I used to give them a CV and qualification certs etc). In the past the LABC have sent their tester around to have a quick chat and ensure that I wasn't a complete numpty and knew what I was doing. Most DNO wouldn't care who you are or be worried about whether you are in a scheme prior to connection of a temporary supply. I used to just write out as much as I can get on a cert prior to connection for them. Is that what you mean?
 
Prior to registering with a scheme I have always spoken to the local authority building control and stated that I would be undertaking the work and it would be under the building control notice, as @lennyallover has stated this shouldn't incur any cost as it has been paid for in the building control charge, at that point they may want proof of competence (I used to give them a CV and qualification certs etc). In the past the LABC have sent their tester around to have a quick chat and ensure that I wasn't a complete numpty and knew what I was doing. Most DNO wouldn't care who you are or be worried about whether you are in a scheme prior to connection of a temporary supply. I used to just write out as much as I can get on a cert prior to connection for them. Is that what you mean?
Yes some thing like that, I was just sitting here wondering how others did it, thanks for the reply.
 
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Toneyz

This is the big problem, the Electrical industry is baffling even to us so when the customer is bombarded with advice from several bodies and websites trying to ensure you use there services then this what happens, I was asked if I was part P once to work in a factory on the machinery, I chuckled and explained, we need 1 non profit body to look over everyone like it used to be with the NICEIC before it turned into a profit based scheme provider.
Very well put
 
I used to be a member with NAPIT, with my company being MG Electrical Installation Services, not enough work to pay for setup each year so I stopped the company, Now I am with IET and Work for UK Power Networks as a BS7671 Test and Inspector and HV switching Level B, level Ap on Network Rail 33kV HV Network
 

Soulsurfer

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I have a choice of going NAPIT full scope or NICEIC only Domestic Installer due to pricing being around the £500 mark, which would you guys choose ?
 

Midwest

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Elecsa/NICEIC rang me yesterday, offering me to 'upgrade deal' from Elecsa approved contractor to NICEIC approved contractor, leaving a message on my answerphone. As I predominately deal with Mrs Miggans, I see no financial benefit in this deal.

However, I might ring them up and say as your offering that as a deal at no extra cost, why not offer me a discount on my Elecsa approved contractor fees, as you obviously see the Elecsa brand as less attractive than NICEIC? :rolleyes:

What do ya think? :)
 

Soulsurfer

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I've heard of people going Napit then moving afterwards to NICEIC !
I just want to get registered in a cost effective way for a sole trader. Mate came to site meet this morning to look at signing off for me / testing, and said he swapped to NICEIC under domestic installer but when assessor came last visit he told him that he is doing MoD work, office blocks, industrial, commercial all of it and the guy just said that's fine ! Surely there is a problem there ? insurance wise too ? or can I just pay D.I. rate and do full scope ??
 
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Octopus

I've heard of people going Napit then moving afterwards to NICEIC !
I just want to get registered in a cost effective way for a sole trader. Mate came to site meet this morning to look at signing off for me / testing, and said he swapped to NICEIC under domestic installer but when assessor came last visit he told him that he is doing MoD work, office blocks, industrial, commercial all of it and the guy just said that's fine ! Surely there is a problem there ? insurance wise too ? or can I just pay D.I. rate and do full scope ??
Join Stroma ..... at £288 per year all in its a snip!
 

Soulsurfer

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When you self certify via your scheme all labc get is your notification......
I'll call them again tomorrow then as they can't really argue it, last time my friends company who are NIC sent the notification to them, so if that's all they need then that should be fine. I want to get sorted but it's so expensive otherwise.
 

Taylortwocities

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I didn't know you were in Jersey. May be different rules there.
It might be helpful if you change your location in your profile. It just says UK at the moment.
 

Midwest

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Looking at Jersey Bye-Laws link, being a scheme member of Napit or Certsure is the way to go. They can install/certify everything from electrics to double glazing :)
 
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sparkypaul2

Coming from the US I may have skewed your results by 1 as I entered none because I am basically retired but do return to the states to work sometimes. We have a Union that nationally represents a group of electrical workers but there are countless number of independent licensed and qualified electricians throughout the states. The Union is more about controlling labor in specific jurisdictions than any other aspect to do with electrical work.
 
i was with elecsa but I'm looking to join stroma now as have heard good things, anybody with them now had good experiences with them?
I went with Stroma to save a couple of quid over the NICEIC fee, and it was a big mistake. My assessor was a nightmare, and just wanted to brag how great he was, and gave misleading information. I passed the assessment with no advice/recommendations so it's not sour grapes. I have no doubt they aren't all as bad as him.

The problem I had consistently throughout my year's membership was that the admin side of stroma were frankly useless. Time and time again I had to chase certs up with them which made me look like I was lying to my customers. They were even sending certs out that were so poorly printed which was a joke. I raised this this issue time and time again with a manager who just gave empty promises and did nothing to improve things.

So saving £2 to £3 a week joining Stroma was definitely false economy for me. I have never had an issue with any NICEIC assessors. One assessor I had just after part P came in was a bit of a jobs worth, but not full of himself like the Stroma assessor. I have also found the admin at the NICEIC to always be on the ball.
 

ipf

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Sinatra I’ll through mine in there. I’m registered with the State of North Carolina as a Master Electrician
Mega, in my day, we used to have three grades. Qualifying with 'A' certificate was 'electrician', 'B' cert 'approved electrician' and 'C' cert 'technician'. All that changed over the years and really came to a head when the schemes came into being. Technician went out of the window, except for air con technicians, fire alarm technicians, electronic technicians etc....and even supply meter technicians. (They just love the word)
I would, however, rank Sinatra in the technician grade....one of the smoothest suppliers of sound I've ever heard.
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People must be getting bored, resurrecting 2 year old threads. 😉
It's still relevant, though, to some degree. Not like someone bringing up a two year old fault condition and trying to explain how to solve it.;)
 
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Andy78

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Mega, in my day, we used to have three grades. Qualifying with 'A' certificate was 'electrician', 'B' cert 'approved electrician' and 'C' cert 'technician'. All that changed over the years and really came to a head when the schemes came into being. Technician went out of the window, except for air con technicians, fire alarm technicians, electronic technicians etc....and even supply meter technicians. (They just love the word)
I would, however, rank Sinatra in the technician grade....one of the smoothest suppliers of sound I've ever heard.
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It's still relevant, though, to some degree. Not like someone bringing up a two year old fault condition and trying to explain how to solve it.;)
Technician grade is still a current JIB/ECS grade.
 

ipf

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Technician grade is still a current JIB/ECS grade.
Yes, to those qualified under todays terms......why remove it from those in the past. I've been qualified to standard for more than 40 years and, according to those that be, have been degraded to 'approved'.
Mind you, as far as I'm concerned, these days, they can stick it where the sun don't shine. It means SFA.
 

Andy78

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Yes, to those qualified under todays terms......why remove it from those in the past. I've been qualified to standard for more than 40 years and, according to those that be, have been degraded to 'approved'.
Mind you, as far as I'm concerned, these days, they can stick it where the sun don't shine. It means SFA.
Ah right I'm with you now. Are you saying that C course holders are no longer granted a technician grade ? I thought all legit grades had legacy status.
 
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