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Who are you with?

  • NICEIC (DI)

    Votes: 136 11.6%
  • NICEIC (AC)

    Votes: 229 19.5%
  • NAPIT

    Votes: 122 10.4%
  • ELECSA

    Votes: 110 9.4%
  • STROMA

    Votes: 78 6.6%
  • None

    Votes: 486 41.3%
  • ECA

    Votes: 48 4.1%
  • BSI

    Votes: 7 0.6%
  • Benchmark

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Select

    Votes: 20 1.7%

  • Total voters
    1,176
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lennyallover

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Well excuse me for not dotting i's and crossing T's. As this is an electricians forum I didn't think it necessary to say that reportable work, suprise, should be reported. I did say if they find anything wrong you will be liable but thanks for intimating I didn't, lets me know you didn't read the post properly.
 
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Dan

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Steady on guys. I'm sure it's all meant to be helpful and just reads a bit formal or whatever.
 
In the chance of me making myself appear a bit thick, for those who are not with a Cps body, how do you lets say get temporary builders supplies with your local network supplier connected without an approved certificate, and issue a building control number to the builder/customer on a extension or new build, prior completion of works, which in many cases happens to me?. And then of course on completion of such works a new certificate is issued with a new BC number.
 

rolyberkin

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Prior to registering with a scheme I have always spoken to the local authority building control and stated that I would be undertaking the work and it would be under the building control notice, as @lennyallover has stated this shouldn't incur any cost as it has been paid for in the building control charge, at that point they may want proof of competence (I used to give them a CV and qualification certs etc). In the past the LABC have sent their tester around to have a quick chat and ensure that I wasn't a complete numpty and knew what I was doing. Most DNO wouldn't care who you are or be worried about whether you are in a scheme prior to connection of a temporary supply. I used to just write out as much as I can get on a cert prior to connection for them. Is that what you mean?
 
Prior to registering with a scheme I have always spoken to the local authority building control and stated that I would be undertaking the work and it would be under the building control notice, as @lennyallover has stated this shouldn't incur any cost as it has been paid for in the building control charge, at that point they may want proof of competence (I used to give them a CV and qualification certs etc). In the past the LABC have sent their tester around to have a quick chat and ensure that I wasn't a complete numpty and knew what I was doing. Most DNO wouldn't care who you are or be worried about whether you are in a scheme prior to connection of a temporary supply. I used to just write out as much as I can get on a cert prior to connection for them. Is that what you mean?
Yes some thing like that, I was just sitting here wondering how others did it, thanks for the reply.
 

Dan

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Toneyz

This is the big problem, the Electrical industry is baffling even to us so when the customer is bombarded with advice from several bodies and websites trying to ensure you use there services then this what happens, I was asked if I was part P once to work in a factory on the machinery, I chuckled and explained, we need 1 non profit body to look over everyone like it used to be with the NICEIC before it turned into a profit based scheme provider.
Very well put
 
I used to be a member with NAPIT, with my company being MG Electrical Installation Services, not enough work to pay for setup each year so I stopped the company, Now I am with IET and Work for UK Power Networks as a BS7671 Test and Inspector and HV switching Level B, level Ap on Network Rail 33kV HV Network
 

Soulsurfer

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Arms
I have a choice of going NAPIT full scope or NICEIC only Domestic Installer due to pricing being around the £500 mark, which would you guys choose ?
 

Midwest

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Arms
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Elecsa/NICEIC rang me yesterday, offering me to 'upgrade deal' from Elecsa approved contractor to NICEIC approved contractor, leaving a message on my answerphone. As I predominately deal with Mrs Miggans, I see no financial benefit in this deal.

However, I might ring them up and say as your offering that as a deal at no extra cost, why not offer me a discount on my Elecsa approved contractor fees, as you obviously see the Elecsa brand as less attractive than NICEIC? :rolleyes:

What do ya think? :)
 

Soulsurfer

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Arms
I've heard of people going Napit then moving afterwards to NICEIC !
I just want to get registered in a cost effective way for a sole trader. Mate came to site meet this morning to look at signing off for me / testing, and said he swapped to NICEIC under domestic installer but when assessor came last visit he told him that he is doing MoD work, office blocks, industrial, commercial all of it and the guy just said that's fine ! Surely there is a problem there ? insurance wise too ? or can I just pay D.I. rate and do full scope ??
 
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Octopus

I've heard of people going Napit then moving afterwards to NICEIC !
I just want to get registered in a cost effective way for a sole trader. Mate came to site meet this morning to look at signing off for me / testing, and said he swapped to NICEIC under domestic installer but when assessor came last visit he told him that he is doing MoD work, office blocks, industrial, commercial all of it and the guy just said that's fine ! Surely there is a problem there ? insurance wise too ? or can I just pay D.I. rate and do full scope ??
Join Stroma ..... at £288 per year all in its a snip!
 

Taylortwocities

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Arms
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LABC do not get to choose. They must accept notifications from any DCLG approved Competent Person Scheme.
 

Soulsurfer

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Arms
When you self certify via your scheme all labc get is your notification......
I'll call them again tomorrow then as they can't really argue it, last time my friends company who are NIC sent the notification to them, so if that's all they need then that should be fine. I want to get sorted but it's so expensive otherwise.
 

Taylortwocities

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Arms
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I didn't know you were in Jersey. May be different rules there.
It might be helpful if you change your location in your profile. It just says UK at the moment.
 

Midwest

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Arms
Esteemed
Looking at Jersey Bye-Laws link, being a scheme member of Napit or Certsure is the way to go. They can install/certify everything from electrics to double glazing :)
 
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sparkypaul2

Coming from the US I may have skewed your results by 1 as I entered none because I am basically retired but do return to the states to work sometimes. We have a Union that nationally represents a group of electrical workers but there are countless number of independent licensed and qualified electricians throughout the states. The Union is more about controlling labor in specific jurisdictions than any other aspect to do with electrical work.
 

Pete999

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The company I work for is Nice but personally not with anyone does that matter?
Well I'm glad it's Nice working where you are Jamsey, I worked in a nice place for a long time, but it was nice when I retired:D:p
 
i was with elecsa but I'm looking to join stroma now as have heard good things, anybody with them now had good experiences with them?
I went with Stroma to save a couple of quid over the NICEIC fee, and it was a big mistake. My assessor was a nightmare, and just wanted to brag how great he was, and gave misleading information. I passed the assessment with no advice/recommendations so it's not sour grapes. I have no doubt they aren't all as bad as him.

The problem I had consistently throughout my year's membership was that the admin side of stroma were frankly useless. Time and time again I had to chase certs up with them which made me look like I was lying to my customers. They were even sending certs out that were so poorly printed which was a joke. I raised this this issue time and time again with a manager who just gave empty promises and did nothing to improve things.

So saving £2 to £3 a week joining Stroma was definitely false economy for me. I have never had an issue with any NICEIC assessors. One assessor I had just after part P came in was a bit of a jobs worth, but not full of himself like the Stroma assessor. I have also found the admin at the NICEIC to always be on the ball.
 

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