Are the NIC turning Electrical Contracting into a Monopoly?

[Antonio]

Hi there,

Just joined the Electricians Forum. I would just like to say what a twisted industry the electrical trade has become. I was made redundant 3 months ago and and have found it very difficult to find new employment, so I have decided to become a self employed electrician. And I have to say that I don't know where to turn when it comes to part P compliance, the NIC?, ELECSA?, NAPIT? to name but a few. Which brings me to my point, I just like thousands of others out there trained for years to become a qualified and competent electrician now only to be told that you have to part with your hard earned money to register with one of the regulatory bodies, don't my qualifications count for nothing?

And lets be honest, these bodies don't stop the cowboys do they, because they will carry on regardless, the only people it really effects is honest, qualified electricians who are just trying to make a living. In closing I really do fear that the NIC in particular and other regulatory bodies are turning the electrical industry into a monopoly and will eventually be holding us all to ransom.

On a slightly lighter note, who is the best for part P compliance LOL.

 

[acat]

It would appear so perhaps we need just one overall body that has nothing to do with the current lot.


Chris

 

[c.p.c]

Hi there,

Just joined the Electricians Forum. I would just like to say what a twisted industry the electrical trade has become. I was made redundant 3 months ago and and have found it very difficult to find new employment, so I have decided to become a self employed electrician. And I have to say that I don't know where to turn when it comes to part P compliance, the NIC?, ELECSA?, NAPIT? to name but a few. Which brings me to my point, I just like thousands of others out there trained for years to become a qualified and competent electrician now only to be told that you have to part with your hard earned money to register with one of the regulatory bodies, don't my qualifications count for nothing?

And lets be honest, these bodies don't stop the cowboys do they, because they will carry on regardless, the only people it really effects is honest, qualified electricians who are just trying to make a living. In closing I really do fear that the NIC in particular and other regulatory bodies are turning the electrical industry into a monopoly and will eventually be holding us all to ransom.

On a slightly lighter note, who is the best for part P compliance LOL.

[FONT=&quot]Yep couldn’t have put it better myself; My freind .I have been in the same situation myself over the last 6 months. Been sparking since left school full Qual`s JIB and time served. Looked into setting something up. Turning 40 in less than two months and I am starting to realise how disillusioned I become about this trade of mine.[/FONT]

 

[DHES-LTD]

Hi there,

Just joined the Electricians Forum. I would just like to say what a twisted industry the electrical trade has become. I was made redundant 3 months ago and and have found it very difficult to find new employment, so I have decided to become a self employed electrician. And I have to say that I don't know where to turn when it comes to part P compliance, the NIC?, ELECSA?, NAPIT? to name but a few. Which brings me to my point, I just like thousands of others out there trained for years to become a qualified and competent electrician now only to be told that you have to part with your hard earned money to register with one of the regulatory bodies, don't my qualifications count for nothing?

And lets be honest, these bodies don't stop the cowboys do they, because they will carry on regardless, the only people it really effects is honest, qualified electricians who are just trying to make a living. In closing I really do fear that the NIC in particular and other regulatory bodies are turning the electrical industry into a monopoly and will eventually be holding us all to ransom.

On a slightly lighter note, who is the best for part P compliance LOL.

I think that NIC have monopolised the industry for too long and the new compitition of NAPIT and ELECSA will hopefully drive prices down for us all. Personally i'm registered with NAPIT.

 

[Des 56]

Here lies my total opposition to the part p nonesense
On paper it was supposed to make domestic installation safer

If that was the motive,the result has backfired tremendously

Legitamising other trades to operate in the sector under a defined scope carving knife
Accepting the lowest permissable entry requirements for the full bit (hence the 5-day wonder accusations)

All this negative stuff gone on and at the same time outlawing well qualified experienced sparks from other sectors who want to do domestic installation

Most of these other sparks having far superior qualifications and experience than a very large proportion of the legitamised domestic enterprises


Electricians have been led down the garden path with this rubbish part p for too long
It should be done away with instantly

 

[c.p.c]

Electricians have been led down the garden path with this rubbish part p for too long It should be done away with instantly

"You can put my name on that petition"

 

[Antonio]

Hi Des 56,

I totally agree with you. What we should have is a system like they have in canada and australia, where you show your local authority your formal qualifications and then apply for a electricians 'license' to allow you to operate as an electrician. Depending on your qualifications there should also be a grading system.

What do you think?

 

[KEVINDOE]

The n.i.c.e.i.c are a money making machine ,, i was regestered as domestic installer , then upgraded to aproved contractor and the yearly assesment is very much the same, only difference is that it last the whole day and i am charged £360 each year for the additional half day , at least dick turpin wore a mask !!!

 

[Risteard]

Hi Des 56,

I totally agree with you. What we should have is a system like they have in canada and australia, where you show your local authority your formal qualifications and then apply for a electricians 'license' to allow you to operate as an electrician. Depending on your qualifications there should also be a grading system.

What do you think?

I agree.

We could even call it something like ... ooh I dunno ... perhaps "JIB" or something like that!

 

[Antonio]

Hi Everyone,

Just read a story about a man who was screwed over by a 'part P' registered electrician. Left live cables poking out of the floor and ceiling.

Just proves my point really.

Part P does not work!

 

[c.p.c]

Part P does not work!

A-ha.... But it does for the training providers their coining it in! Laughing all the way to the bank.



They got no real overheads so why charge so much for what they do? It is suppose to be about conforming and working safety and electrically etc, a benifit for the general public!


But its amazes me upon asking, the very people its suppose to protect know very little or nothing about it. But then again, it cost money to make people/ general pubic aware of these groups and what they mean !

A national TV advertising and bill board campaign for 12 months would be a great start and make a real diference to the publics awarness and of course this would seriously hit their profitability AND THATS WHY ITS NEVER BEEN DONE .That is the most important thing to them profit nothing else .

BISH BOSH BASH COWBOY MENTALITY, TAKE THE MONEY AND DO AS LITTLE AS YOU CAN FOR IT !

 

[super_stuey]

make a real diference to the pubics awarness



love to see that lol

 

[drywax]

Part P is simply the there to make sure the government get a % of unpaid tax back, predominantly most domestic installs were done by the industrial sparks earning a bit of cash in hand on a weekend nothing wrong with that a few beer tokens etc. But now you have to be registered and register most jobs with the LABC the tax mans little spy, it has nothing to do with saftey although the training you go through does give some good guidance.

I think an umbrella organisation would do the trick someone should hi jack the part p registered logo ( the house with the tick) and form such a movement and treat it as the gas safe. Then who you registar with doesn't matter as long as you've got the "lecsafe" emblem and number the customer can trace your status through that. As we all know some people won't entertain you unless your NIC approved so this is complete discrimination from the start whats fair about that?

 

[c.p.c]

LOL, Its amaziing what the spell checker leaves behind.

Thanks.

 

[Denatone]

I agree with what was said about public awareness . nobody i know knew domestic sparks had to be registered, so cowboys will continue to get work.
If the local buildings office have to be notified why not cut out the part P scheme middle men and have them run it?