Here is another question. In my bedrooms 1 light is earthed and two are not. The lights are pendants..All plastic fittings. I have been told there needs to be further investigation. The investigation apparently needing to get up in to the loft to look for the earth. This is a problem for me as the loft is looked and choker block with my stuff. Loads of it. The loft is locked and I am not sure where the key is. (Lockdown intervened(.Anyhow I have asked the electricians why they need to investigate further. I said I thought it was okay that bedroom lights are not earthed with plastic fittings. They just dont answer. I am feeling a bit desparate about it as I have 28 days to complete the work
You said to me.......well some joke......I said some do some don’t......
Noooooo not Wetpeasants!....wetpants......they certainly ain’t peasants the money they charge ? although I’d love to be there when you jokingly call one a peasant whilst he’s attempting to save ya house ?
There is no requirement to get a second report done.
You have ordered and paid for the report. once you have it, it is done for the next 5 years.
However any dangerous faults MUST BE FIXED.
the person doing the repairs etc. should provide you with an invoice, a minor works certificate or an installation report to keep hold of so you can prove if you are ever asked to that the repairs have been done.
I've come across several landlords that have paid for an EICR to be done, only to be told that there is a lot of remedial work before it is issued. In a couple of cases, the report was not even drafted, and half the tests not actually done. I would be suspicious of being asked to pay for remedial work before you can have a copy of the report.
Once you have the report, you can decide whether to use the original electrician or someone else to rectify the issues. You should not have to pay to have a second complete report done.
Once you have the report, you can decide whether to use the original electrician or someone else to rectify the issues. You should not have to pay to have a second complete report done.
Hence our endearing term (honestly) of wetpants......I’ve no idea what they call us although my tame wetpants genuinely believes that electricity is all “ white magic” ?
"black magic" matter too!!
That made me laugh mate ????
As a carpenter originally I point out to em that they are just failed carpenters....as historically roofing was a chippies job......they generally through slates etc at me at that point ?
Northern terminology?.....my feet get wet in the channel if I walk 5 minutes south ?
Not correct,
you need to provide the Tennant’s with a report
That is now a legal requirement
If there are dangerous faults listed in the report, you have to get work or further investigation started on that within a month.
So if the electrician is withholding the report, it is there fault that you have no report for the Tennant’s, you have paid for it, you should receive it.
Surely at some point you will need to get in the loft. And if the key is lost then why not get the sparky, or a local handyman(when he is there securing the trunking), to fit a new lock?
I wouldn't knacker the chances of getting a safe electrical system for the sake of a lost loft hatch key.
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I’m getting concerned with what’s up there now! ??
That's not great, is the loft space designed to take the weight of it being full of stuff? It's not normal for a rented property to have the loft filled with the landlords stuff.
The only exception is the wiring to a lamp holder suspended from a ceiling rose, ie the pendant drop which is all of the white bit in the picture (except the rose cover that is). A CPC (earth) must be present and suitably terminated at the rose, which is the black bit.
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Over the years working in rental properties, I've come across a few with padlocked lofts. Even one loft where the access is from the side of an attic bedroom, where there is screwed down panelling over it so the tenant wouldn't know there was an entrance. Usually this is done to hide stashed junk (sorry)!
I'd say it is not a good idea, if urgent access might be needed, certainly not if there are any water services in the loft. Even lighting cables can be nibbled by rodents and might need looking at in a hurry.
I'd say it is not a good idea, if urgent access might be needed, certainly not if there are any water services in the loft. Even lighting cables can be nibbled by rodents and might need looking at in a hurry.
Yes thsts the thing about lofts. But all this really arose as a result of lock down. Instead I had to rent the house before I had planned. I was due to be back there to sort things out. But coming back to the non earthed lights. I agree that it would be ideal to get in to the loft but it could be difficult to get around. Is there a way that light fittings can be changed so that this okay? I am confused as they have done this in the bathroom
In the interests of clarity - this type of fitting also needs a CPC (earth) to be run to the rose, even if it’s not connected to the lamp holder.
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Without seeing the report it’s difficult to tell, but if I had to guess I’d say the bathroom light was changed for incorrect IP rating, not lack of earthing. They are two separate issues.
You can change em to class 2 same as the bathroom although it won’t make any difference as you need the earth for the rcd to work so it still leaves you the issue of not having rcd protection on the lighting circuit which you’ll need for a satisfactory certificate.....I would say this is already highlighted on the cert you havnt seen....
How can you know they do without seeing the report mate?...as @dodger421 points out that could’ve been for ip reasons......you really need that report mate and post it up here for anymore truly constructive advice I’m afraid
What light the bathroom?
The light in the bathroom was changed in 2014. When they did the EICR test this time around they said they could find no evidence it was doubly insulated. They said it should be changed for one that was.. The electrician who fitted it then was traced thro an agent. He went in and checked and admitted it was the wrong one. He then changed it. Yes I know it's a ridiculous story.
Double insulated would imply no cpc at that point in the circuit, there is no way if you have circuits without cpc that the issue of rcd protection hasn’t been raised on the EICR.....even if it’s only graded as a c3 which I doubt considering how vigorous they were over the trunking issue, if it’s not mentioned at all I’d be very sceptical over the validity of it, and I wouldn’t panic to much either as your 28 days won’t start until you have the report ?
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