Bedroom lights without earths

[Car123]

Here is another question. In my bedrooms 1 light is earthed and two are not. The lights are pendants..All plastic fittings. I have been told there needs to be further investigation. The investigation apparently needing to get up in to the loft to look for the earth. This is a problem for me as the loft is looked and choker block with my stuff. Loads of it. The loft is locked and I am not sure where the key is. (Lockdown intervened(.Anyhow I have asked the electricians why they need to investigate further. I said I thought it was okay that bedroom lights are not earthed with plastic fittings. They just dont answer. I am feeling a bit desparate about it as I have 28 days to complete the work

 

[Baddegg]

I was trying not to discriminate, plenty of Kev’s do the same ;-D

Very PC I like that....I’m old so it’s wetpants for me ?

 

[Car123]

If you have paid for a report, they should not be withholding it.

After all, you asked them to do a report, not give you a list of things you must do before they will give you a report.

Write them an email, along the lines of.

I have ordered and paid for an EICR to be done at 123 any avenue.
I have now waited x days for it and find this unacceptable.
please provide the report as ordered as soon as possible and in any case within 5 days or i will seek advice on how to recover the money paid to you for a service i have not received.

Well I get your point. But to be honest I don't want to up the ante at this point. I am 350.miles away locked down and much as I am dismayed I need to be pragmatic..They have sent me a list

 

[Car123]

Very PC I like that....I’m old so it’s wetpants for me ?

Well.some joke

 

[James]

Just to add to the post about getting the report, at the moment you are worried about items in a report that will become a legal document once issued.

at the moment everything you are concerned about is not actually a problem because nobody has provided you with any document to say it is.

these issues MAY be a problem that the contractor is willing to write down on a legal document that could later be scrutinised, however they may Not appear on the report (if they are just trying to drum up a little extra work)

In any case once you have the report, you can give a copy to any local spark to quote for doing the remedial works, there is no obligation to stay with the same contractor.

 

[Baddegg]

Well.some joke

Some do some don’t.....life is short man so you’ll find me in stiches at every opportunity, no offence implied I promise ?

 

[Car123]

corrected that for you mate ?

Are wetpsnts plumbers

 

[Car123]

Some do some don’t.....life is short man so you’ll find me in stiches at every opportunity, no offence implied I promise ?

Just confused..

 

[James]

Are wetpsnts plumbers

wetpants are plumbers
wetpsnts, is that text talk for wet peasants? if so I think it is a bit non PC!!!!

 

[Car123]

Just to add to the post about getting the report, at the moment you are worried about items in a report that will become a legal document once issued.

at the moment everything you are concerned about is not actually a problem because nobody has provided you with any document to say it is.

these issues MAY be a problem that the contractor is willing to write down on a legal document that could later be scrutinised, however they may Not appear on the report (if they are just trying to drum up a little extra work)

In any case once you have the report, you can give a copy to any local spark to quote for doing the remedial works, there is no obligation to stay with the same contractor.

Will they accept the report. Or would they need to retest? I think it might prove more expensive and time confusing

 

[Baddegg]

Are wetpsnts plumbers

Yes mate bad ones ? kevs are kitchen fitters and builders are.......you know! ??

 

[Baddegg]

Just confused..

You said to me.......well some joke......I said some do some don’t......

 

[Car123]

wetpants are plumbers
wetpsnts, is that text talk for wet peasants? if so I think it is a bit non PC!!!!

Now I understand. That makes sense. I had some dreadful wetpants. Ha I shall remember that. They were wet peasants ahh ha ha

 

[Baddegg]

Now I understand. That makes sense. I had some dreadful wetpants. Ha I shall remember that. They were wet peasants ahh ha ha

Noooooo not Wetpeasants!....wetpants......they certainly ain’t peasants the money they charge ? although I’d love to be there when you jokingly call one a peasant whilst he’s attempting to save ya house ?

 

[James]

Will they accept the report. Or would they need to retest? I think it might prove more expensive and time confusing

There is no requirement to get a second report done.

You have ordered and paid for the report. once you have it, it is done for the next 5 years.
However any dangerous faults MUST BE FIXED.
the person doing the repairs etc. should provide you with an invoice, a minor works certificate or an installation report to keep hold of so you can prove if you are ever asked to that the repairs have been done.

 

[SJD]

I've come across several landlords that have paid for an EICR to be done, only to be told that there is a lot of remedial work before it is issued. In a couple of cases, the report was not even drafted, and half the tests not actually done. I would be suspicious of being asked to pay for remedial work before you can have a copy of the report.

Once you have the report, you can decide whether to use the original electrician or someone else to rectify the issues. You should not have to pay to have a second complete report done.

 

[Car123]

Noooooo not Wetpeasants!....wetpants......they certainly ain’t peasants the money they charge ? although I’d love to be there when you jokingly call one a peasant whilst he’s attempting to save ya house ?

The majority of plumbers I have had have been fine though as you say they charge high prices. But I had some lousy ones and it makes sense that in the absolute mayhem they created that they managed to screw up the clamp

 

[Baddegg]

The majority of plumbers I have had have been fine though as you say they charge high prices. But I had some lousy ones and it makes sense that in the absolute mayhem they created that they managed to screw up the clamp

Hence our endearing term (honestly) of wetpants......I’ve no idea what they call us although my tame wetpants genuinely believes that electricity is all “ white magic” ?

 

[James]

Hence our endearing term (honestly) of wetpants......I’ve no idea what they call us although my tame wetpants genuinely believes that electricity is all “ white magic” ?

"black magic" matter too!!

 

[Car123]

Yes mate bad ones ? kevs are kitchen fitters and builders are.......you know! ??

What are roofers. Is this Northern terminology. I am in Cornwall

 

[Car123]

I've come across several landlords that have paid for an EICR to be done, only to be told that there is a lot of remedial work before it is issued. In a couple of cases, the report was not even drafted, and half the tests not actually done. I would be suspicious of being asked to pay for remedial work before you can have a copy of the report.

Once you have the report, you can decide whether to use the original electrician or someone else to rectify the issues. You should not have to pay to have a second complete report done.

But I will need the report with details of everything being okay. I have to give this to the tenants

 

[Baddegg]

"black magic" matter too!!

That made me laugh mate ????

 

[Baddegg]

What are roofers. Is this Northern terminology. I am in Cornwall

As a carpenter originally I point out to em that they are just failed carpenters....as historically roofing was a chippies job......they generally through slates etc at me at that point ?
Northern terminology?.....my feet get wet in the channel if I walk 5 minutes south ?

 

[James]

But I will need the report with details of everything being okay. I have to give this to the tenants

Not correct,
you need to provide the Tennant’s with a report
That is now a legal requirement

If there are dangerous faults listed in the report, you have to get work or further investigation started on that within a month.

So if the electrician is withholding the report, it is there fault that you have no report for the Tennant’s, you have paid for it, you should receive it.

 

[Car123]

411.3.1.1

A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point

Is a plastic rose attached to the ceiling okay or does it need to be a light fitting with the bulb enclosed? My problem is it will be problematic to access the loft.

 

[Car123]

The 18th edition happened..

Right. My prob is about them accessing the loft which is choker..So a).trying to understand the regs and b) how best to comply..

 

[Car123]

Not correct,
you need to provide the Tennant’s with a report
That is now a legal requirement

If there are dangerous faults listed in the report, you have to get work or further investigation started on that within a month.

So if the electrician is withholding the report, it is there fault that you have no report for the Tennant’s, you have paid for it, you should receive it.

Thank you that's helpful

 

[DPG]

Is a plastic rose attached to the ceiling okay or does it need to be a light fitting with the bulb enclosed? My problem is it will be problematic to access the loft.

Surely at some point you will need to get in the loft. And if the key is lost then why not get the sparky, or a local handyman(when he is there securing the trunking), to fit a new lock?

I wouldn't knacker the chances of getting a safe electrical system for the sake of a lost loft hatch key.

 

[Car123]

Thank you that's helpful

James I am

Surely at some point you will need to get in the loft. And if the key is lost then why not get the sparky, or a local handyman(when he is there securing the trunking), to fit a new lock?

I wouldn't knackered the chances of getting a safe electrical system for the sake of a lost loft hatch key.

It's not so much the key as I do have it, it's just identifying it. It's more the case that the loft is absolutely choker with stuff. Choker.

 

[Baddegg]

James I am

It's not so much the key as I do have it, it's just identifying it. It's more the case that the loft is absolutely choker with stuff. Choker.

I’m getting concerned with what’s up there now! ??

 

[freddo]

It's not so much the key as I do have it, it's just identifying it. It's more the case that the loft is absolutely choker with stuff. Choker.

That's not great, is the loft space designed to take the weight of it being full of stuff? It's not normal for a rented property to have the loft filled with the landlords stuff.