Believe it or not this example has supposedly been tested and certified!

[andybird]

To my absolute amazement the DB and all circuits illustrated above have I am informed been tested to 17th edition standard. How many 17th edition problems can you spot here? I am wary of just how many other issues will be discovered when I start doing a few circuit tests of my own! Though I have to trace the circuits first! Quite unbelievable sadly there are a lot of 'companies' who do such shoddy work!

 

[Lucien Nunes]

Way 12 looks pretty safe and compliant to me and its circuit ID is bang on.

 

[Pete999]

Invisible ink it's in MI5 HQ so nobody can read the circuit designation

 

[Simlec]

Way 12 looks pretty safe and compliant to me and its circuit ID is bang on.

Should have used the din rail blanks as the ones shown just fall out.

Is it just not written really really small !

 

[driverman]

Way 12 looks pretty safe and compliant to me and its circuit ID is bang on.

Gives Lucie a blank look lol

 

[shanky887614]

Should have used the din rail blanks as the ones shown just fall out.

Is it just not written really really small !

you need to pull the pin out above the din rail to energise it so whats the problem

 

[davesparks]

The thing is those boards are supplied with clip in blanks, and I'm not sure you can even get full module ones to fit.

I think the idea is that with it being an isobar board there is nothing live to be touched if a blank does fall out. Not that I agree with using those ones.

The breaker on the top left is correct for the board, it just pre-dates the recent facelift of the range, the acti9 range is backwards compatible with the multi9 range

 

[driverman]

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To my absolute amazement the DB and all circuits illustrated above have I am informed been tested to 17th edition standard. How many 17th edition problems can you spot here? I am wary of just how many other issues will be discovered when I start doing a few circuit tests of my own! Though I have to trace the circuits first! Quite unbelievable sadly there are a lot of 'companies' who do such shoddy work!

Have you asked customer for any p/work relating to work done?

 

[shanky887614]

mix of rcbo's and mcbs what kind of faults are you thinking off?

 

[Pete999]

you need to pull the pin out above the din rail to energise it so whats the problem

It's a DB not a hand grenade shanky

 

[Simlec]

you need to pull the pin out above the din rail to energise it so whats the problem

So when the blanks go missing or get pushed inside as they are pants (yes they do, do din-rail ones) what IP rating are you going to give the enclosure Shanky my boy?

 

[shanky887614]

It's a DB not a hand grenade shanky

its an isobar acti9 board mate open one up and you will see what i mean.

fitted quite a few at Schneider supplied by themselfs

 

[shanky887614]

So when the blanks go missing or get pushed inside as they are pants (yes they do, do din-rail ones) what IP rating are you going to give the enclosure Shanky my boy?

usually they have both fitted.

how can you code something that hasnt happend yet, ive come across many boards where they are still in place.

 

[driverman]

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To my absolute amazement the DB and all circuits illustrated above have I am informed been tested to 17th edition standard. How many 17th edition problems can you spot here? I am wary of just how many other issues will be discovered when I start doing a few circuit tests of my own! Though I have to trace the circuits first! Quite unbelievable sadly there are a lot of 'companies' who do such shoddy work!

Be nice to see what it is like inside..as I was recommended to use this particular type of board here yesterday.

 

[Simlec]

usually they have both fitted.

how can you code something that hasnt happend yet, ive come across many boards where they are still in place.

Both fitted ?
So to prevent it from ever happening you would fit the din-rail blanks that are the shape of the MCB's in the first place Yes.

 

[shanky887614]

Both fitted ?
So to prevent it from ever happening you would fit the din-rail blanks that are the shape of the MCB's in the first place Yes.

no, i dont see the point, our db's have locks on them so only used by a competent person.

i usually use the ones in the cover.

there are usually no exposed L,N bars

 

[davesparks]

The point is taking pride in your work and doing the best job possible. Not just doing the minimum necessary and then making excuses about door locks and things not being exposed.

 

[Andy78]

I'm not sure that Schneider do din rail blanks to fit these boards, I don't think I have ever seen them.
I can confirm that the Schneider clip on blanks as shown are very sturdy, not like the flimsy ones by other brands that are easily pushed in or picked out. I tried to remove some of these blanks in a Schneider domestic CU in a wholesalers the other day. I couldn't do it.
I always use din rail blanks in all my domestic boards, but I use Hager for those and the din rail blanks are readily available.

 

[shanky887614]

I'm not sure that Schneider do din rail blanks to fit these boards, I don't think I have ever seen them.
I can confirm that the Schneider clip on blanks as shown are very sturdy, not like the flimsy ones by other brands that are easily pushed in or picked out. I tried to remove some of these blanks in a Schneider domestic CU in a wholesalers the other day. I couldn't do it.
I always use din rail blanks in all my domestic boards, but I use Hager for those and the din rail blanks are readily available.

you have to push them from inside out to get them out. they slot under then clip back

 

[Darkwood]

Sorry to go against the grain here but other than lack of obvious circuit ID there is nothing visually wrong here, clip in blanks are totally acceptable and Schneider boards of this brand have a lock off busbar stump that if not used wont be energised, it takes a total idiot to enter the board and energise an unused stub... idiots are dangerous playing with any brand, so regardless of the blank falling out, getting nuked or the plumber attacked, the user cannot stick his finger in to a live busbar pin and get a shock.

Its not bad practice, unprofessional or an eyesore its perfectly acceptable and common and to my knowledge Schneider do not make an alternative to the clip in blank

 

[vernam616]

I bet there is a circuit chart for that somewhere in a office etc..

a easier way to work that out is how neat its been done inside, if its neat you know its a decent spark and sent a circuit chart in with the test cert, looks pretty brand new, maybe a unfinished job???

 

[Engineer54]

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To my absolute amazement the DB and all circuits illustrated above have I am informed been tested to 17th edition standard. How many 17th edition problems can you spot here? I am wary of just how many other issues will be discovered when I start doing a few circuit tests of my own! Though I have to trace the circuits first! Quite unbelievable sadly there are a lot of 'companies' who do such shoddy work!

Jesus from the way this thread title was written i was expecting a bit more than no DB or circuit ID's being present.

Ok come on then, how many 17th editions problems can you spot, because i'm trying to work out your statement on what your ''Absolute Amazement'' is all about???

 

[dazza1981]

Jesus from the way this thread title was written i was expecting a bit more than no DB or circuit ID's being present.

Ok come on then, how many 17th editions problems can you spot, because i'm trying to work out your statement on what your ''Absolute Amazement'' is all about???

Agreed.... What a let down

 

[dingledong]

Wait till he takes the cover off :49:

 

[Engineer54]

Wait till he takes the cover off :49:

Well going by the OP, even he hadn't taken the cover off the DB at time of writing, but still seemed to be in total amazement at the lack of panel /circuit ID's. If it is a mess inside, ....well i'm half expecting the guy to have a heart attack!! lol!!

 

[SparkyJoe]

I have never, In the last decade worked for a firm or subbed to someone who supplied dinrail blanks. people just dont want to pay it.

 

[cprfenom]

I much prefer din rail blanks like the ones I use when installing Hager. Sad thing is that Sparkyjoe is right, people do not want to pay and often supplier prices are so bad that spare mcb's are on a par

 

[Baker1988]

I would like to see a picture of the inside have you got one mate?

 

[Kate]

Only issue I see is a lack of labelling. Installer may have the ****test handwriting going and typed up, but it didnt get attached. May find as soon as you take the cover off they have written down that centre strip instead. If thats a worry to you you should see half the jobs I have to test for signing off

 

[shanky887614]

Only issue I see is a lack of labelling. Installer may have the ****test handwriting going and typed up, but it didnt get attached. May find as soon as you take the cover off they have written down that centre strip instead. If thats a worry to you you should see half the jobs I have to test for signing off

tp board with 3+ cores in every breaker?

ive seen that a couple times as well as boarded over boards

it was a job with one board on every floor, the guys could see where the board was fed from but couldnt find the board.


they found it by checking every board and proving supply etc, in the end it was pure look it was found

 

[Kate]

No busbar covers. No blank plates. Socket missed and now plastered behind wall unlocatable. No rcd/dual colour labels. No circuit designation (I have to find it when didnt do install) bonding forgotten and not connected. Light fittings not installed yet. Have to block for testing

 

[Kate]

Ive had to test circuits that havent been connected yet... I.e just a cable hanging out the wall waiting for data comms

 

[7029 dave]

How you doing Kate, long time no hear.?

 

[cornishboy]

I think the issue might be the installation method as it's not clear if these circuits are installed in the wall or if there are socket outlets that appear to have no rcd protection.maybe it's surface or in steel conduit

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Only thing wrong, I can see, is the lack of circuit identification.

 

[uksparks]

It all looks a bit new and unfinished to me

 

[Kate]

How you doing Kate, long time no hear.?

Im good how are you? I know, works been busy lately, trying to make the most of it while it lasts. I also decided to get a puppy. Shes nearly 6months old now, keeps me on my toes (knackered)

 

[Parker27]

whats the problem here?

All you do is contact the premises owner show him the board has not been marked up, they will gladly provide the installers details, you contact the installer, they will provide you with the EIC/EICR and you mark up the board accordingly.

 

[Jamzie]

Thought we were in for a right one with the title....what an unnecessary tease. Ask the client for the schedule, who's probably got it on a computer somewhere and move on....

 

[drzsta]

BTW, You can get Schneider Din Rail mounted blanks for the Isobar range because I have used them.

 

[shanky887614]

BTW, You can get Schneider Din Rail mounted blanks for the Isobar range because I have used them.

do you need din rail blanks though? the n link is covered till you pull the tab down (on isobar 9 range)

 

[drzsta]

I Only install them on aesthetical grounds.