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Richlizard
Hi all.
This is my first post for advice, so please take it easy on me. I am a recently qualified electrician on a completely new career change and have soon realised that qualifications mean nothing at all compared to the experience that no doubt you guys have built up over the years.
I am presented with a perfect opportunity as my friend has bought a house where the wiring leaves a lot to be desired. Another friend is dealing with the larger issues like changing the fuse board to a new consumer unit and I have taken on the role of what should be a simpler job of new light fittings and moving sockets around, etc.
I only had a quick 20 minutes to look around, but this is what I observed.
They currently have no light switch cables buried into the wall and sockets are a mixture of little mini double sockets and some so big you could house a hamster inside. Most rooms have spurs and homemade extensions made to look like it is part of the ring, but obviously not. So a lot of work to be carried out.
The first room they want done in a hurry is their lounge which has presented me with my first issue which I hope you can help with.
One side of the chimney breast they have this tiny double socket which they want moved to the other side of the chimney breast. This is on an external side wall...
I don't know how the cable was routed, but as you can see there is a 'spur' cable running to the other side of the chimney breast. I doubt very much it was legit or safe how it is routed or even how it is wired direct into the socket, but on the other side of the chimney breast was this giant great ugly lump that I assume is just some kind of glorified extension lead??
Obviously that lump will be removed from the current socket and they want two double sockets in this area to replace it. So I want to extend the ring from one side to the other. I thought it was obvious that all I needed to do was go to the floorboards above and run it around the chimney breast beneath the floorboards and chase it back down the other side. When I went upstairs, facing the same external wall, I found that the right hand side of the breast was in a bedroom as shown here...
When I got the floorboard up, I was expecting to see the two cable disappearing down through a hole and chased into the wall...
But they seemed to go through a beam, almost as if going outside but obviously not. So I am struggling a little to see how I will get them up and out... or even confirm where they are going. They seem to be in the correct place, but can only see them aiming to the external wall through this beam. I would assume the hole was drilled into this beam and the cabling pushed through and down into the channel in the wall. I don't suppose this is an issue. If I can't pull them back out again (if needed), I would just cut them off as they don't want this socket any more. It is not an issue to channel out the wall as obviously the plaster will be in at some stage.
My real problem arrives next. The left hand side of the chimney breast upstairs is in the bathroom next door... somewhere!
As you can see, the left hand side of the chimney breast and the cavity I was expecting to see so I could run the cables down the external wall is not there. It is all filled in and tiled. The floor is also tiled.
So I am at a bit of a loss how to get the cable from one side of the chimney breast to the other.
There are no other sockets from that side of the room to run from. Obviously I don't want to run cabling across or through the chimney breast. The floor is concrete (wood effect vinyl) and I was considering channelling out along the floor, but not sure of the pros and cons of that.
So there you go.
Sorry it is a little long-winded but I am hoping someone has had this exact scenario and there is a simple solution.
I very much appreciate your help and any suggestions.
This is my first post for advice, so please take it easy on me. I am a recently qualified electrician on a completely new career change and have soon realised that qualifications mean nothing at all compared to the experience that no doubt you guys have built up over the years.
I am presented with a perfect opportunity as my friend has bought a house where the wiring leaves a lot to be desired. Another friend is dealing with the larger issues like changing the fuse board to a new consumer unit and I have taken on the role of what should be a simpler job of new light fittings and moving sockets around, etc.
I only had a quick 20 minutes to look around, but this is what I observed.
They currently have no light switch cables buried into the wall and sockets are a mixture of little mini double sockets and some so big you could house a hamster inside. Most rooms have spurs and homemade extensions made to look like it is part of the ring, but obviously not. So a lot of work to be carried out.
The first room they want done in a hurry is their lounge which has presented me with my first issue which I hope you can help with.
One side of the chimney breast they have this tiny double socket which they want moved to the other side of the chimney breast. This is on an external side wall...
I don't know how the cable was routed, but as you can see there is a 'spur' cable running to the other side of the chimney breast. I doubt very much it was legit or safe how it is routed or even how it is wired direct into the socket, but on the other side of the chimney breast was this giant great ugly lump that I assume is just some kind of glorified extension lead??
Obviously that lump will be removed from the current socket and they want two double sockets in this area to replace it. So I want to extend the ring from one side to the other. I thought it was obvious that all I needed to do was go to the floorboards above and run it around the chimney breast beneath the floorboards and chase it back down the other side. When I went upstairs, facing the same external wall, I found that the right hand side of the breast was in a bedroom as shown here...
When I got the floorboard up, I was expecting to see the two cable disappearing down through a hole and chased into the wall...
But they seemed to go through a beam, almost as if going outside but obviously not. So I am struggling a little to see how I will get them up and out... or even confirm where they are going. They seem to be in the correct place, but can only see them aiming to the external wall through this beam. I would assume the hole was drilled into this beam and the cabling pushed through and down into the channel in the wall. I don't suppose this is an issue. If I can't pull them back out again (if needed), I would just cut them off as they don't want this socket any more. It is not an issue to channel out the wall as obviously the plaster will be in at some stage.
My real problem arrives next. The left hand side of the chimney breast upstairs is in the bathroom next door... somewhere!
As you can see, the left hand side of the chimney breast and the cavity I was expecting to see so I could run the cables down the external wall is not there. It is all filled in and tiled. The floor is also tiled.
So I am at a bit of a loss how to get the cable from one side of the chimney breast to the other.
There are no other sockets from that side of the room to run from. Obviously I don't want to run cabling across or through the chimney breast. The floor is concrete (wood effect vinyl) and I was considering channelling out along the floor, but not sure of the pros and cons of that.
So there you go.
Sorry it is a little long-winded but I am hoping someone has had this exact scenario and there is a simple solution.
I very much appreciate your help and any suggestions.
