Installation cert went missing

[Diode]

My electrician had been filling in an installation certificate in a house and finished it. It was for a complete installation . He left it in the house which was still a bit of a building site. When we returned, the certificate had been lost by the customer. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can certify saying that the customer lost certificate without having to re do the whole thing? It's about 25 circuits!!!

 

[dan86]

eh? this make no sense, unless you are referring to yourself in third person?

 

[polo1]

Why don't they just ask the original spark to fire off another one???? He may charge a small fee, but hey.

 

[dan86]

this is the obvious solution polo.
I'm just confused why it's worded the way it is tbh!

 

[oldtimer]

There has to be a copy

 

[Diode]

Dan86 , The electrician works for me. The house was the customers, not mine

 

[kingeri]

Spark would have kept a copy for his records, wouldn't he.............?

 

[shockboy]

their should allways be copy as the original spark could go back to do a periodic and not have access to original if the house is sold

 

[Richard Burns]

It is a requirement for notifiable work that the electrician keep copies of certificates for at least three years, so get the copy.

 

[Guitarist]

You can't simply "say" that the installation has been tested with no record of having done so. Additionally, you cannot notify the installation in any case, that's the part P registered electrician's job.
Notification will require a certificate number, plus, as already said, the electrician should have a copy of the certificates.
If they have truly been lost (with no copies made), then the testing will need to be carried out again. Simple as that really, and a hard lesson for your electrician to learn.

 

[Des 56]

You can't simply "say" that the installation has been tested with no record of having done so. Additionally, you cannot notify the installation in any case, that's the part P registered electrician's job.
Notification will require a certificate number, plus, as already said, the electrician should have a copy of the certificates.
If they have truly been lost (with no copies made), then the testing will need to be carried out again. Simple as that really, and a hard lesson for your electrician to learn.

Mr G
I have never included any certificate number when notifying work

The question being asked should never arise,its a little puzzling to say the least

 

[Geordie Spark]

My electrician had been filling in an installation certificate in a house and finished it. It was for a complete installation . He left it in the house which was still a bit of a building site. When we returned, the certificate had been lost by the customer. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can certify saying that the customer lost certificate without having to re do the whole thing? It's about 25 circuits!!!

Then he is a VERY silly boy indeed and you have EVER right to be extremely cross with him !!!

Make him stand in the Naughty Corner for three weeks. That will teach him a lesson !!

 

[Guitarist]

Mr G
I have never included any certificate number when notifying work

The question being asked should never arise,its a little puzzling to say the least

Must only be Elecsa that requires the certificate number on notifications then.
I know that if I'd spent days testing 25 circuits, I'd be guarding that paperwork with my life, and copy it straight away.
Still not sure why the OP thinks that he/she needs to notify another electrician's work anyway. Isn't this the guy who was doing electrical work last year and asked on here whether you need to fit an RCBO on a new dual RCD CU?

 

[Kate]

Electrician who did the testing should have a copy for his own records. Ill probably still have all copies in 20years time let alone 3years. I keep them in my tax records. Seems safest place to me

 

[MDJ]

you will have to do the test again, the customer needs paperwork.

 

[Guest111]

Stating the obvious I know but in all the books of certs I've seen there are 2 copies,one you rip out for client and the other stays in the book,why not just copy the info onto a new cert from the copy in the book?

 

[Hants-Spark]

So what Part P body is your electrician in? How does he normally register work? And he will always have copies, photo copy them at worst.

 

[kingeri]

I think the OP has disappeared again.

 

[Des 56]

I think the OP has disappeared again.

I believe he was last seen wandering a building site picking up litter

 

[markc123]

The cert's i have, have a blue copy sheet underneath - so you'll have all the details - charge for writing it out again?

Failing that, 999 ?

 

[Diode]

Thank you Geordie! Good advice!!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Thank you Geordie! Good advice!!

You're most welcome bonny lad, I'm always happy to help!

 

[Knobhead]

Diode, you can call me nasty and suspicious (I am) but I don’t believe a word you say about the certificates going missing. The simple reason is they were never issued and you’re trying to cover your tracks.

Pay up for the job to be tested properly.

 

[Guitarist]

Diode, you can call me nasty and suspicious (I am) but I don’t believe a word you say about the certificates going missing. The simple reason is they were never issued and you’re trying to cover your tracks.

Pay up for the job to be tested properly.

Well, if I was cynical, I'd agree with you and say that it was the op who carried out the work. Not because I'm nasty, but because previous posts have been about electrical work he has done and not really been sure about, such as whether to fit an RCBO to a dual RCD board he changed (and notified?).
If I was cynical, I'd say that he did the work, hasn't carried out testing, and wants to know if there is a way to convince LBC that certificates have been completed but lost, therefore it's all hunky-dorey.
What a good job it is that I'm not cynical....

 

[LED Lighting]

As said you have to keep a copy of the EIC just in case the house catches fire or anything, you will need to prove to the court that you tested the house and not done what some on here do and just hope it all works!

If he has not kept a copy of the results then send your spark back in to redo the tests again - I would not pay him as he failed to complete his legal duties!

If as a company you dont keep copies of certs then try this one:
Call your accreditation body up and tell them you have been trading for x months/years and never kept a copy of an install certificate and post on here what they say!

 

[Amp David]

Diode, you can call me nasty and suspicious (I am) but I don’t believe a word you say about the certificates going missing. The simple reason is they were never issued and you’re trying to cover your tracks.

Pay up for the job to be tested properly.

Yeh, you tight wad!

 

[oldtimer]

Reading the posts I cannot help feeling that the original cert does not even exist but all said I started working with PCs 28 years ago and had it drummed into me about back up and always did yet fast forward to today and people are sloppy about this daft thing that there is a free MS utility called Briefcase on your PC/laptop so put all your stuff in a business folder then create a Briefcase folder on a memory stick then open it and copy and paste the business folder into it then at the end of the week plug in the memory stick right click the Briefcase folder and it will only update the files you changed .

Then put the memory stick in a safe place I put it on a nail inside a cupboard so if your PC/laptop breaksdown or is stolen you have only lost a couple of days work

 

[bigbaddave]

The sparky will have copies... simples... call him, Get copy, Job done

 

[Octopus]

Call me suspicious but here is an earlier thread from the OP:

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...replacing-main-isolator-rcd-across-whole.html

So my guess is that the person doing the testing isn't registered.