Was that all hanging like that, or have you pulled it out the trunking?
live?
wagos should be in an enclosure, not the trunking, but sometimes it’s unavoidable to joint and extend cables into a new board.
looks like finishing quick came above tidiness in this job
live?
wagos should be in an enclosure, not the trunking, but sometimes it’s unavoidable to joint and extend cables into a new board.
looks like finishing quick came above tidiness in this job
@littlespark , is there a reg that prohibits connections in trunking? Sometimes I use a length of 100 X 50 plastic trunking in which I extend cables for board changes. It would be good to know if I'm getting this wrong.
I was under the impression that trunking is an enclosure, this is from definitions:
Cable trunking. A closed enclosure normally of rectangular cross-section, of which one side is removable or hinged, used for the protection of cables and for the accommodation of other electrical equipment.
The consumer unit is a Skrewfix brand. Maybe a clue it's a DIY-type replacement, not a time-served sparks. The fixed cables should have been marshalled into an adaptable box with a DIN rail connector bar to extend the circuits to the CU. Utterly dismal workmanship which should be isolated, corrected and tested.
134.1.1 & 510.3 & 526.203 - Bet Wago haven't approved the product for such use
526.3.vi - Not MF in the current state
Trunking can generally be accessed by just pulling the lid off, is there anything in the UK Regs, as in France, that says to be in an enclosure only accessible by the use of a tool?
That is my understanding, so a length of ordinary plastic trunking is not suitable for joining cables, unless the joiners themselves are enclosed inside the trunking.by something that needs a tool to open it.
As with a few threads on here some of the story is missing.
Is this house owned by the friend and the agent manages it and have had the EICR and recommended and arranged the work?
Or is the friend a tenant of this property?
Why was the O.P asked to test it?
As bad as it appears to be I can't beleive that the cables and joints were left as pictured, were they all originally within the trunking?
Whoever did the work should not be paid, if the agent has already paid them on behalf of the friend, if the owner, then they should refund the costs.
If the friend is the owner they should find another electrician to re do the work correctly and also find a new agent to manage the property.
If the friend is a tenant they should notify the agent that they will be turning off the power and moving out into a hotel or similar untill the work had been done correctly by another electrican and will be expecting the agent to refund all costs incurred.
Is this house owned by the friend and the agent manages it and have had the EICR and recommended and arranged the work?
Or is the friend a tenant of this property?
Why was the O.P asked to test it?
As bad as it appears to be I can't beleive that the cables and joints were left as pictured, were they all originally within the trunking?
Whoever did the work should not be paid, if the agent has already paid them on behalf of the friend, if the owner, then they should refund the costs.
If the friend is the owner they should find another electrician to re do the work correctly and also find a new agent to manage the property.
If the friend is a tenant they should notify the agent that they will be turning off the power and moving out into a hotel or similar untill the work had been done correctly by another electrican and will be expecting the agent to refund all costs incurred.
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loz2754
A ceiling rose cover, for example, can be also be removed without the use of a tool. Thus revealing live connections. I would be ok with a properly made joint in PVC trunking. In fact the lid is often hard to remove.
But is that not what you are paid for, to do things perfectly/correctly, would you accept that on a half re-sprayed car?
It's a dog's dinner certainly, but, electrically speaking the only real things I'm seeing are crowding/grouping issues, wrong size terminations for the 6mm and some missing cpc sleeve. For a handful quid more this could have been done properly in a DIN rail dappy box with DIN joiners.
EDIT - just had a second look - have they made an RFC off into a lollipop??
EDIT - just had a second look - have they made an RFC off into a lollipop??
As usual it looks like someone has spent more time creating a crap looking job with issues than they would have creating a half decent one with none.
Is the reason the wider C.U has been mounted lower, creating the need for some of the joints, because it wouldn't fit up against the socket / FCU / switch or( ?) on the left or were they thinking they needed to comply with the mounted height?
Is the reason the wider C.U has been mounted lower, creating the need for some of the joints, because it wouldn't fit up against the socket / FCU / switch or( ?) on the left or were they thinking they needed to comply with the mounted height?
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Dustydazzler
Often in domestics you are paid to do a job as safely and efficiently as the budget allows
I wish every customer could afford a rolls Royce job with an unlimited budget but in reality some jobs you have to simply do with the time and budget you are afforded
There's a degree of truth in this, but often the difference in cost between a pig's ear like this and a first class job is almost nothing.
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Dustydazzler
oh I agree , £65 on a din box and some decent din connectors and the job could have been so much neater
but if the original sparks quoted low to begin with they probably didn’t have £65 to Spend on the proper gear so throw up some trunking and lashed in som3 wagos
im not forgiving this dogs ear badgers claw abomination of a job but the world isn’t perfect
as I said , rip out and start again
Connections made in trunking don't need to be maintenance free, as they are accessible.
Used Chint consumer units many times before bought from an electrical wholesalers, not Screwfix, and find them to be decent.
The live and neutrals connecting the RCDs together and to the neutral bars are a solid conductor and not flexible which I much prefer.
The pre manufactured connections of flexible cores inside a new DB which show a lot of copper at the neutral bar connection are one of my pet peeves.
Not sure any of wagos lever connections can be used in MF situations only the push fits I believe, that situation wouldn’t need to be MF anyways would it? As the connection is easily accessible
222's can be used MF, same box as the push fits. 221's also can be used MF, slightly different box though.
I agree... but I suspect that unless he had a suitable box/din rail etc. on the van... it would also have meant a trip to the wholesalers ? That might be an hour or so round trip... that's an hour of lost time... and maybe an hour late for his tea/a pint ?
I used to work with a guy who had to be back home at 5:30pm everyday... otherwise his missus would get extremely irate (and usually blame me !!).
Just seen these on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/CTRICALVER...tor-Terminals/dp/B08PCRXXJT/ref=sr_1_32_sspa? and these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08MFBZ...d_rd_w=sEMGT&pf_rd_p=6d92f084-6b53-4a72-8a21- I know when I first put the three core in line version on the forum I got all sorts of stick, so this is just for information I am not condoning them in any way or guaranteeing their use in any shape or form, these where the ones I got stick for: In Line Spring Lever Connectors 3 Pole 32A - https://www.toolstation.com/in-line-spring-lever-connectors/p78346
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Only just learnt that wago is pronounced "var-go" and not "way-go"... definitely gonna stick with saying "way-go" now though... I've come too far to change my pronunciation of it!
Dartlec
Arms
Even Hager are guilty of that one. Obviously less of an issue with all RCBO boards now. Though it's the connections to the top of the RCD that are more of an issue - since in most cases the neutral bars aren't insulated anyway? (I think Chint do on some of their boards at least - and maybe Schneider too?)
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Arms
The Amazon ones look interesting - wonder what documentation there is to back up that they meet any standards though - are they copies of more well known brands?
Often seems like sometimes the Chinese can iterate and develop new and interesting ideas much quicker than anyone else - even if they do cut corners to do so sometimes... Just wish the bigger companies did the same.
The last ones I have a bag of I admit and would happily use them in the right situation (probably not in a hidden MF junction box to be fair).
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Arms
You can also buy adapters to use with the original Wago boxes - basically plastic spacers to fill in the extra space....
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