I'm seeing a fair few jobs advertised that state that you must have current "police pass/clearance" to apply. What exactly is this, and how do you go about getting it? Can't find sod all on google about it.
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SafetyFirst
Never heard that term exactly, what it might be though is CRB, criminal records Buerau checked.
Certain places won't allow tradespersons on there 'sensitive' sites such as schools/hospitals/prisons etc. Basically if you have a criminal record this may count against you from gaining access to certain jobs.
Certain places won't allow tradespersons on there 'sensitive' sites such as schools/hospitals/prisons etc. Basically if you have a criminal record this may count against you from gaining access to certain jobs.
I assumed it was something similar to a CRB, thing is with those, you can't just apply and pay for your own can you, has to be done through your employer as far as i know, which is great when you don't have an employer to apply for one for you haha.
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alarm man
Not sure if things have changed as it's about 8 - 10 years since I last needed police / home office security clearance but there was a few levels and each had different forms to fill in if I remember correctly one was about 12 or 16 pages long and very in depth and detailed but some are 4 - 6 pages long. A lot depends on what the job entails as to what level is needed also not sure you can get it without being offered a job or you are employed by a company who carries out contracts that requires it.
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mogga
scotland have now changed from DISCLOSURE to something about protecting vulenerable persons ( children old forlk learning difficulties ect)
basic disclosure check is realy to assertain you are who you say ypou are and that you dont have any relevant convictions
this can be done by the person ie YOU
FULL disclosure use to be project specific ( ie working for a firm , assisting at football team, helping out at oldfolks home, volenary driving people to hospital) would all count seperatly ie 4 full disclosures required all costing a fair ammount
the new vulerable persons thing covers ALL things
basic disclosure check is realy to assertain you are who you say ypou are and that you dont have any relevant convictions
this can be done by the person ie YOU
FULL disclosure use to be project specific ( ie working for a firm , assisting at football team, helping out at oldfolks home, volenary driving people to hospital) would all count seperatly ie 4 full disclosures required all costing a fair ammount
the new vulerable persons thing covers ALL things
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Guest111
its a crb check, I had 2 done one for the fire service and 1 for virgin,you can pay yourself and have it done if you need,unfortunately its a case of someone asking you for something when they don,t know the correct name of it.happened to me at virgin,guy filling in form for me to sign and it said have you had crb before,i tell him yes but he ticks no.after a couple of weeks I get a call from crb asking if i knew someone has applied for a crb in my name as all details were same but no mention of me already holding advanced crb for fire service,guess they weren,t pleased after i explained as they sent crb back with a letter telling him to fill it in properly next time lol.
I'm glad you can so categorically state it's a CRB enhanced or otherwise, having worked in a few areas for the police and one of those government departments where you may come into contact with information that is of a sensitive nature the forms you fill in are a little bit more than a CRB and have questions relating to family members and whether you or any members of your family are members of any organisations that are considered dodgy and many more probing questions
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alarm man
the crb is basically what the police know about you,the home office one is different like you say,i done one a few years ago for unescorted access while working in naval yards,it went down to grandparents details,its amazing what a government knows about you and your family..dont know why they bother with forms..they know it anyway...
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I was refering to the normal requirement for working in non seure areas,schools,hospitals etc now if you were working in a military establishment then things such as the official secrets act may come into play.there was last time i filled one in a section where you had to name close relations and give their details so they could be checked,to see if you had what in police terms was called any known associates i.e people with a record which may give a potential employer a reason not to employ you eg your brother is a major bank robber.
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SPARTYKUS
Nope. Wrong.
Worked in custody suites via a third party over last 5 years, and they paid for me to be "police security vetted". Its done by warwickshire police, it takes ages, costs alot more than £65 quid, and the form sounds rdmarkably like the one UNG refers to. Very detailed.
There is a higher level called "DV"- dilligent vetting. Thats really serious, interviews the lot. Thats usually for top secret stuff , GCHQ,MOD.
Worked in custody suites via a third party over last 5 years, and they paid for me to be "police security vetted". Its done by warwickshire police, it takes ages, costs alot more than £65 quid, and the form sounds rdmarkably like the one UNG refers to. Very detailed.
There is a higher level called "DV"- dilligent vetting. Thats really serious, interviews the lot. Thats usually for top secret stuff , GCHQ,MOD.
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alarm man
its another uk minefied e54,tho spent convictions should not be used against the person,tho no doubt they do,most applications these days you are asked about convictions spent or not,some people will lie,would you want a person convicted of theft working for a security co,would an employer want to send someone with convictions against woman to do a job in a womans home,say someone had a fight ehile out in town,they got arrested and charged,if that was 20 yr ago and they have had nothing since its fair to say its a one off and the guy isnt a violent lunatic,tho if the same guy is being arrested for the same thing over and over its fair to say he is a violent lunatic..the same with theft and many other crimes,companies should know who they are employing,
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Engineer54
When obtaining one of these clearance certs for specific reason no problem. It's when they are abused by employees, for there own use so-to speak, then knowing information on your maybe distant past, that they really have no right to be privy too, that's the problem. Invariably it's going to be held against you, even to the point of being let go. As i say these things don't seem to have any safeguards to stop this sort of thing happening, so ends up just another abuse of a system that was put in place for quite different reasons....
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alarm man
some info for those who have done daft things when they were younger,me included,if your not an persisitant offender then dont worry,if you are,you dont deserve a job anyway..
http://www.nacro.org.uk/data/files/nacro-2007021302-65.pdf
http://www.nacro.org.uk/data/files/nacro-2007021302-65.pdf
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SPARTYKUS
I did lots of daft things when i was younger .... just didn't get caught!!! (lol)
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Engineer54
The main point is, that an employee has no right whatsoever on knowing anything about your personal life. If a particular job/contract requires such a pass cert, fair enough, but it doesn't necessarily need an employer to know about anything you have done in the past, and as you say is now well and truly spent!! I'm sure there could be safeguards within the system to prevent this..
Hell, i've probably had more background checks on me than most here (some i didn't even know about at the time). I just wonder what would have happened if i'd had any kind of criminal record, no matter how small or how far back it was. Employers can be fickle to say the least about these things, it's human nature, ...and really in my opinion have no right to that information!!
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alarm man
well if i was ever in a postion to employ people who would represent my company id what all the info i could who i was employing,
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Engineer54
So what right have you got on knowing about an employee's personal life then?? ...NONE!!!
Your missing the point i'm making!! If a place of work requires that you have a clearance to work in that environment, ...fine, absolutely no objection to that at all. But that clearance shouldn't be privy to your employer, only to the the official party that requires that clearance. your past and personal life has got sod all to do with your employer. I'm sure he wouldn't want his employees to know his past or personal life!!
Geezus, think about it for a moment here, you'll be opening a real can of worms if an employer had the right to your personal life before being hired. The chances are, there would be a section of perfectly law abiding people that wouldn't ever stand a chance of being employed because of some minor criminal offence(s) being committed when they were young enough not to know any better....
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