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[davesparks]

Where have you got that from? I said:

"Don't forget we have a regulation in the glorious 17th that recommends we consider proving a neutral at all switch locations, just in case someone wants to waste their money on some over complicated electronic switching nonsense."Now how on earth have you read that as saying you MUST do something?

Regulation 559.6.1.100:
"Consideration should be given to the provision of the neutral conductor, at each switch position , to facilitate the installation of electronic switching devices."

It does not say you must wire using a method of looping in at the switches, and it also doesn't limi it to domestic.

 

[Richard Burns]

The neutral at switches is only a consideration and has only been in place since AMD 1.
559.6.1.100 Consideration shall be given to the provision of the neutral conductor, at each switch position, to facilitate
the installation of electronic switching devices.

 

[BES]

Sorry missed the recommendation bit. Wasn't aware of it either. Ta

 

[Knobhead]

It really annoys me that a “recommendation” is given a number so it can be misinterpreted (as per usual) as a requirement.

 

[davesparks]

I can see your point, but in this case it's not actually a recommendation, that was just my words earlier in the thread.

The actual regulation requires that we consider the provision of a neutral.

Not much better admittedly but a blanket requirement for neutrals at a switch would be pointless. This way you can look at it and decide how likely it is that a fancy electronic switch requiring a neutral will be fitted at some time.

It all sounds like a pile of nonsense to me though. Keep the fancy electronics for toys and leave the lights on a proper switch, least chance of failure and easiest to fix.

I'm of the same opinion with these damned fool programmable room thermostats, a good old fashioned mechanical stat will keep working for years without problem.

 

[Engineer54]

It really annoys me that a “recommendation” is given a number so it can be misinterpreted (as per usual) as a requirement.

Yep, and i've seen the amount of cables that can end up in a switch back box when a switch ''loop- in'' system has been installed. Bloody crazy!! As far as i'm concerned if a neutral is required at a switch point, (eg, ...for outside light etc) ...Fine!! If not, keep the neutrals out of switches!!

 

[Rockingit]

It all sounds like a pile of nonsense to me though. Keep the fancy electronics for toys and leave the lights on a proper switch, least chance of failure and easiest to fix.

I'm of the same opinion with these damned fool programmable room thermostats, a good old fashioned mechanical stat will keep working for years without problem.

Lol..I'm just doing a fancy expensive barn conversion at the moment where all the lighting switch cabling is CAT5 running proprietary RS232 data bus back to centralised dimming, then using 12c multi out to the various circuits in order to keep the cable down!

It's the future, and you know it!

 

[gavin.sibley]

It all sounds like a pile of nonsense to me though. Keep the fancy electronics for toys and leave the lights on a proper switch, least chance of failure and easiest to fix.

I'm of the same opinion with these damned fool programmable room thermostats, a good old fashioned mechanical stat will keep working for years without problem.

Lol..I'm just doing a fancy expensive barn conversion at the moment where all the lighting switch cabling is CAT5 running proprietary RS232 data bus back to centralised dimming, then using 12c multi out to the various circuits in order to keep the cable down!

It's the future, and you know it!

Which system are you using for this? I've always used niko but there are alternatives and I know the prices are starting to come down now, I think more and more people will start looking at control systems as a viable option

 

[Rockingit]

Which system are you using for this? I've always used niko but there are alternatives and I know the prices are starting to come down now, I think more and more people will start looking at control systems as a viable option

Anytronics - 16 x 2A dimming/switch for £800. Bargain!

 

[davesparks]

Hmmmm, if it's anything like anytronics 24x10A theatre install dimmers then I wish you good luck!